Opinion: Reforming Stem Cell Tourism

Heightened guidelines and education are not enough to thwart the use of unproven and potentially harmful stem cell therapies. Scientists must get involved.

By | September 14, 2011

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As with many new areas of technological advancements, stem cell research has received its fair share of hype. Though much of the excitement is warranted, and the potential of stem cells promising, many have used that hype for their own monetary gain. Some market beauty products containing the rejuvenation powers of stem cells and vitamins that claim to boost adult stem cell function while others have established stem cell clinics offering treatments for major diseases and injuries. Although creams and vitamins may (hopefully) be relatively benign, the same is not true for stem cell treatments. Young and elderly patients have died from receiving illegitimate stem cell treatments; others have developed tumors following stem cell transplantations.

In some cases, physicians’ medical licenses have been revoked and investigations of misconduct have been pursued, but the number of fraudulent clinics are vast and growing, offering stem cell treatments for several debilitating and incurable ailments, including Parkinson’s disease, spinal cord injury, multiple sclerosis, diabetes, and cancer. These clinical charlatans play on the hopes of patients and families for whom traditional therapies have failed, and on the hype surrounding stem cell research, touting the latest miracle cure. Many commentators claim that international regulations or guidelines, and education on stem cell tourism, would be effective ways to stop patients from traveling abroad to receive expensive, unproven, and potentially harmful therapies. But perhaps more can be done. Published recently in EMBO Reports, we put forward a new strategy to combat stem cell tourism—one that actively involves scientists.

The International Society for Stem Cell Research (ISSCR) has developed translational guidelines for researchers, a patient’s handbook on stem cell therapies, and a website chock-full of information about real and fraudulent stem cell treatments. Yet the question remains whether this educational information reaches patients, and whether it deters them from seeking snake oil abroad. How many scientific societies or patient advocacy groups must provide sufficient educational materials for this to be a truly effective effort?

From analysis of patient blog sites, our research team at the University of Alberta’s Health Law and Science Policy Group learned that many patients, or family members of patients, seem distraught with the pace at which new treatments are approved because they believe that our regulatory system merely adds red tape. This may encourage some to travel abroad to receive therapies that they expect will be approved in the United States in the coming years. Perhaps then it may be necessary to educate patients on translational research and why translation and the regulatory process are lengthy.

International guidelines could also help by encouraging countries to develop laws and regulations ensuring that clinics offering treatments receive ethics approval and have received regulatory oversight for the products and procedures they intend to use on patients. But the development of international guidelines is an extremely demanding, controversial, and lengthy process.  Moreover, international guidelines may not carry sufficient weight as some countries will not adopt them or will choose to ignore them.

Clearly, something more needs to be done. Scientists are uniquely positioned to help quell stem cell tourism because of their knowledge and control over stem cell materials. We propose that scientists could use existing contracts called MTAs (material transfer agreements) to share materials and reagents only with responsible scientists. This would require researchers to evaluate the requestor’s CV, supplementary documentation, a clinical protocol, and website before providing reagents such as stem cell lines, nucleic acid sequences, growth factor enriched cocktails, or purified proteins to others. Those requesting materials would have to sign an MTA, which would outline the intended purposes of the materials. For example, MTAs for sharing stem cells that are not clinical grade or are not being used to develop clinical grade cells should stipulate that the cells are to be used for non-clinical research purposes only.

Although our proposal places limits on scientific openness and sharing, we believe it is necessary to have such restrictions in this situation in order to prevent greater harms—potentially worsening the condition of patients who receive fake treatments and the possibility of reducing public trust and undermining legitimate stem cell research. Our proposal also adds additional time and resource burdens to stem cell researchers, but again, this is a necessary inconvenience to stop the growing illegitimate stem cell industry. There is also concern that MTAs themselves will be ineffective, says Robin Lovell-Badge, a renowned stem cell scientist at the MRC National Institute for Medical Research in London. His contention is that rogue clinics can themselves derive embryonic stem cells from embryos, create induced pluripotent stem cells from patients, or simply not transfer anything into a patient, providing nothing more than a placebo (Robin Lovell-Badge, EuroStemCell, 2011). These are definitely valid concerns and we agree that MTAs, by themselves, will not stop stem cell tourism. But if they can deter some irresponsible stem cell therapy and research, why not use them? As with education and international policies, control of materials is simply one strategy in the scientist’s arsenal that can help mitigate the use of bogus stem cell remedies.

Zubin Master, PhD is a Research Associate at the University of Alberta’s Health Law and Science Policy Group. Master has published numerous research articles on stem cell ethics and policy, genethics, the responsible conduct of research, and the ethics of research involving humans.

David Resnik, JD, PhD is a Bioethicist and IRB Chair at the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, National Institutes of Health. Resnik has published over 170 articles and 7 books on various topics in philosophy and bioethics, serves on several editorial boards, and is an Associate Editor of the journal Accountability in Research.

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Avatar of: John F Dunne

Anonymous

September 14, 2011

thanks for the thought provoking comments and proposal.  yes certainly scientists have a role in minimizing the delivery of chicanery in the form of medicine, but I'd go a different way than that of the MTA.

I live in a corporate scientific world, fraught with MTAs, and I'd suggest that they would add pretty minimal protection in this case (as apparently Lovell-Badge suggests, magic potions will still flow), and they will hinder legitimate scientific exchange, sometimes enormously.

If uninformed hope is what makes snake oil valuable, then knowledge is what separate it from legitimate cell therapies.  As scientists, we have the opportunity to develop novel potent cell therapies, and the obligation of discovering and publishing, first, anything that may be dangerous to patients, and second, anything that is not worth the social cost, including placebo effects.

Maybe more impactfully, might I ask for some help from the 4th estate, like this journal?  Investigative journalism ought not be dead, and we need to understand what is happening in the real world of medical tourism, largely outside the world of legitimate science.  Tell the story, here and in other media, accurately, responsibly and thoroughly.  People will avoid bad choices if they understand the potiential for personal loss, financial or worse.

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

Thanks for this piece.  We need more help with figuring out how to curb this. 

To my knowledge these "clinics" haven't shown any interest in getting stem cells from legitimate sources. 

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

Curbing the abuses of snake oil salesmen seems to me the responsibility of regulators, public health officials, and educators (be it the media or teachers) not research scientists or their institutions.

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

The FDA

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

The world has to be broken down into people who perform good and people who perform bad.  There are too many biases and too much politics that are inhibiting progess.  The way to overcome this is to have open dialogue.  I just published with the Chinese Group Beike and got a call from CNN about this.  They asked "why would Medistem, who has no affiliations with Beike, write a peer reviewed publication?"  The answer of course was that "we all need to share our data and have an open dialogue".

Currently walking through the FDA procedure I can tell you first hand that the people we dealt with were top notch and were extremely reasonable in terms of helping us to try to get our protocol approved in the US.

I suggest that anyone doing clinical stem cell research offshore should be open, transparent, and publish their work in peer reviewed literature.  Since Medistem is committed not only to advancing the Endometrial Regenerative Cell, but also the general field of stem cell research, we would be willing to help out anyone who is interested in doing good science. 

You can contact me directly thomas.ichim@medisteminc.com or 858 349 3617
@medisteminc:disqus 
Best wishes

Tom

Thomas E Ichim, PhD
Chief Executive Officer
Medistem Inc

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

That is why the integrity and credibility of science is so important. But no one cares.

R. Mirman

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

Here is a brand new bioinformatic web site focusing on 
stem cell, autism,breast cancer, bipolar disorder,COPD, ADHD, Arthritis,Alzheimer's, brain tumor, Diabetes related genes. My new web site  http://www.gene2gene.com  http://www.Classification.htm     http://www.gene2gene.com/Oct4....   stem cell
http://www.gene2gene.com/P53.h...    stem cell  DR: Verma, You did it on 2002)Go take a look! Not finish yet!I have not touch Tourism ,cryptdin-2, ESAT6, Ag85B  ,mRNA,!Eat beef is a major reason for Japan woman's breast canter and stomach cancer for me!
I got PhD. on Molecular Biology with Dr. J. Ito,at U . of Arizona, Tucson,27 years ago!  I work with Dr,Bernard Roizmens on HSV-1 vaccine 28 years ago at U of Chicago! 

Michael Shih/creator of http://www.biocarta.com 
2002,I left Biocarta to work at ITRI Research Institute at Taiwan,  
Early Oct My mother pass away at San Diego, End of Oct, End of Oct,I participated running exercise at ITRI, I fall down, I saw my mother, She told me " It is not the time for you to come here, go back!" I also saw my brother in law, two uncles, and  
grandma! Few days later, I was moved to major hospital at Taipei!One night, I waked up, and knell down against the window,my wife ask me "What you doing?" I told her, "I saw Jesus"

 

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Posts: 1457

September 14, 2011

The more validation sweeps into RegMed, the more predators will come out of the woodwork.

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

The international nature of this type of scam means that it cannot be stopped by legislation or restrictions imposed by respectable scientists. Moreover, desperate people will always take these risks however much we try to educate them; for an untreatable lethal condition, even an outside chance is better than no hope. This is an innate feature of human behaviour and underlies a long history of unreasoning interest in miracle therapies of all sorts.
Responsible scientists are seen, at best, as not knowing everything, especially when they have not themselves tried the particular therapy - which is always the case with responsible scientists. At worst, they are viewed as having a vested interest in their dismissal of the various charlatan claims.

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Paul Knoepfler

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September 14, 2011

I appreciate this piece. More involvement of stem cell researchers will be helpful, but scientists must use extreme caution to avoid being sued for libel.
Paul

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Anonymous

September 14, 2011

These suggestions come from the research point of view, but quite frankly, I do not see how this will stem the tide of clinics that refuse to provide any proof of safety or efficacy. The scientific research community should come together with ICMS in approving standard guidelines and an accreditation program. The foundation is there. If needed a few tweaks could be made, but on the whole, what patients need is a coming together of those in the stem cell community to endorse standards that will benefit patients. We don't need a stem cell police force. We need valid information so we can make informed decisions. If clinics choose to not participate in an open registry, then hopefully they will suffer and go out of business. Researchers can also implement their own guidelines to help with problems that are occurring within the research community, but there is no way to stop desperately ill people from trying to improve their lives with something as promising as stem cell therapy. We are vulnerable and easy prey. We need help in separating the good from the bad and I would certainly welcome that from the research community just as I welcome that help from others in the stem cell industry.

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September 14, 2011

Thanks for this piece.  We need more help with figuring out how to curb this. 

To my knowledge these "clinics" haven't shown any interest in getting stem cells from legitimate sources. 

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September 14, 2011

I appreciate this piece. More involvement of stem cell researchers will be helpful, but scientists must use extreme caution to avoid being sued for libel.
Paul

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September 14, 2011

The world has to be broken down into people who perform good and people who perform bad.  There are too many biases and too much politics that are inhibiting progess.  The way to overcome this is to have open dialogue.  I just published with the Chinese Group Beike and got a call from CNN about this.  They asked "why would Medistem, who has no affiliations with Beike, write a peer reviewed publication?"  The answer of course was that "we all need to share our data and have an open dialogue".

Currently walking through the FDA procedure I can tell you first hand that the people we dealt with were top notch and were extremely reasonable in terms of helping us to try to get our protocol approved in the US.

I suggest that anyone doing clinical stem cell research offshore should be open, transparent, and publish their work in peer reviewed literature.  Since Medistem is committed not only to advancing the Endometrial Regenerative Cell, but also the general field of stem cell research, we would be willing to help out anyone who is interested in doing good science. 

You can contact me directly thomas.ichim@medisteminc.com or 858 349 3617
@medisteminc:disqus 
Best wishes

Tom

Thomas E Ichim, PhD
Chief Executive Officer
Medistem Inc

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September 14, 2011

The world has to be broken down into people who perform good and people who perform bad.  There are too many biases and too much politics that are inhibiting progess.  The way to overcome this is to have open dialogue.  I just published with the Chinese Group Beike and got a call from CNN about this.  They asked "why would Medistem, who has no affiliations with Beike, write a peer reviewed publication?"  The answer of course was that "we all need to share our data and have an open dialogue".

Currently walking through the FDA procedure I can tell you first hand that the people we dealt with were top notch and were extremely reasonable in terms of helping us to try to get our protocol approved in the US.

I suggest that anyone doing clinical stem cell research offshore should be open, transparent, and publish their work in peer reviewed literature.  Since Medistem is committed not only to advancing the Endometrial Regenerative Cell, but also the general field of stem cell research, we would be willing to help out anyone who is interested in doing good science. 

You can contact me directly thomas.ichim@medisteminc.com or 858 349 3617
@medisteminc:disqus 
Best wishes

Tom

Thomas E Ichim, PhD
Chief Executive Officer
Medistem Inc

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September 14, 2011

I appreciate this piece. More involvement of stem cell researchers will be helpful, but scientists must use extreme caution to avoid being sued for libel.
Paul

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September 14, 2011

thanks for the thought provoking comments and proposal.  yes certainly scientists have a role in minimizing the delivery of chicanery in the form of medicine, but I'd go a different way than that of the MTA.

I live in a corporate scientific world, fraught with MTAs, and I'd suggest that they would add pretty minimal protection in this case (as apparently Lovell-Badge suggests, magic potions will still flow), and they will hinder legitimate scientific exchange, sometimes enormously.

If uninformed hope is what makes snake oil valuable, then knowledge is what separate it from legitimate cell therapies.  As scientists, we have the opportunity to develop novel potent cell therapies, and the obligation of discovering and publishing, first, anything that may be dangerous to patients, and second, anything that is not worth the social cost, including placebo effects.

Maybe more impactfully, might I ask for some help from the 4th estate, like this journal?  Investigative journalism ought not be dead, and we need to understand what is happening in the real world of medical tourism, largely outside the world of legitimate science.  Tell the story, here and in other media, accurately, responsibly and thoroughly.  People will avoid bad choices if they understand the potiential for personal loss, financial or worse.

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September 14, 2011

The more validation sweeps into RegMed, the more predators will come out of the woodwork.

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September 14, 2011

The more validation sweeps into RegMed, the more predators will come out of the woodwork.

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September 14, 2011

thanks for the thought provoking comments and proposal.  yes certainly scientists have a role in minimizing the delivery of chicanery in the form of medicine, but I'd go a different way than that of the MTA.

I live in a corporate scientific world, fraught with MTAs, and I'd suggest that they would add pretty minimal protection in this case (as apparently Lovell-Badge suggests, magic potions will still flow), and they will hinder legitimate scientific exchange, sometimes enormously.

If uninformed hope is what makes snake oil valuable, then knowledge is what separate it from legitimate cell therapies.  As scientists, we have the opportunity to develop novel potent cell therapies, and the obligation of discovering and publishing, first, anything that may be dangerous to patients, and second, anything that is not worth the social cost, including placebo effects.

Maybe more impactfully, might I ask for some help from the 4th estate, like this journal?  Investigative journalism ought not be dead, and we need to understand what is happening in the real world of medical tourism, largely outside the world of legitimate science.  Tell the story, here and in other media, accurately, responsibly and thoroughly.  People will avoid bad choices if they understand the potiential for personal loss, financial or worse.

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September 14, 2011

These suggestions come from the research point of view, but quite frankly, I do not see how this will stem the tide of clinics that refuse to provide any proof of safety or efficacy. The scientific research community should come together with ICMS in approving standard guidelines and an accreditation program. The foundation is there. If needed a few tweaks could be made, but on the whole, what patients need is a coming together of those in the stem cell community to endorse standards that will benefit patients. We don't need a stem cell police force. We need valid information so we can make informed decisions. If clinics choose to not participate in an open registry, then hopefully they will suffer and go out of business. Researchers can also implement their own guidelines to help with problems that are occurring within the research community, but there is no way to stop desperately ill people from trying to improve their lives with something as promising as stem cell therapy. We are vulnerable and easy prey. We need help in separating the good from the bad and I would certainly welcome that from the research community just as I welcome that help from others in the stem cell industry.

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September 14, 2011

That is why the integrity and credibility of science is so important. But no one cares.

R. Mirman

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September 14, 2011

Curbing the abuses of snake oil salesmen seems to me the responsibility of regulators, public health officials, and educators (be it the media or teachers) not research scientists or their institutions.

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September 14, 2011

Curbing the abuses of snake oil salesmen seems to me the responsibility of regulators, public health officials, and educators (be it the media or teachers) not research scientists or their institutions.

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September 14, 2011

That is why the integrity and credibility of science is so important. But no one cares.

R. Mirman

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September 14, 2011

These suggestions come from the research point of view, but quite frankly, I do not see how this will stem the tide of clinics that refuse to provide any proof of safety or efficacy. The scientific research community should come together with ICMS in approving standard guidelines and an accreditation program. The foundation is there. If needed a few tweaks could be made, but on the whole, what patients need is a coming together of those in the stem cell community to endorse standards that will benefit patients. We don't need a stem cell police force. We need valid information so we can make informed decisions. If clinics choose to not participate in an open registry, then hopefully they will suffer and go out of business. Researchers can also implement their own guidelines to help with problems that are occurring within the research community, but there is no way to stop desperately ill people from trying to improve their lives with something as promising as stem cell therapy. We are vulnerable and easy prey. We need help in separating the good from the bad and I would certainly welcome that from the research community just as I welcome that help from others in the stem cell industry.

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September 14, 2011

The FDA

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September 14, 2011

The international nature of this type of scam means that it cannot be stopped by legislation or restrictions imposed by respectable scientists. Moreover, desperate people will always take these risks however much we try to educate them; for an untreatable lethal condition, even an outside chance is better than no hope. This is an innate feature of human behaviour and underlies a long history of unreasoning interest in miracle therapies of all sorts.
Responsible scientists are seen, at best, as not knowing everything, especially when they have not themselves tried the particular therapy - which is always the case with responsible scientists. At worst, they are viewed as having a vested interest in their dismissal of the various charlatan claims.

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September 14, 2011

Here is a brand new bioinformatic web site focusing on 
stem cell, autism,breast cancer, bipolar disorder,COPD, ADHD, Arthritis,Alzheimer's, brain tumor, Diabetes related genes. My new web site  http://www.gene2gene.com  http://www.Classification.htm     http://www.gene2gene.com/Oct4....   stem cell
http://www.gene2gene.com/P53.h...    stem cell  DR: Verma, You did it on 2002)Go take a look! Not finish yet!I have not touch Tourism ,cryptdin-2, ESAT6, Ag85B  ,mRNA,!Eat beef is a major reason for Japan woman's breast canter and stomach cancer for me!
I got PhD. on Molecular Biology with Dr. J. Ito,at U . of Arizona, Tucson,27 years ago!  I work with Dr,Bernard Roizmens on HSV-1 vaccine 28 years ago at U of Chicago! 

Michael Shih/creator of http://www.biocarta.com 
2002,I left Biocarta to work at ITRI Research Institute at Taiwan,  
Early Oct My mother pass away at San Diego, End of Oct, End of Oct,I participated running exercise at ITRI, I fall down, I saw my mother, She told me " It is not the time for you to come here, go back!" I also saw my brother in law, two uncles, and  
grandma! Few days later, I was moved to major hospital at Taipei!One night, I waked up, and knell down against the window,my wife ask me "What you doing?" I told her, "I saw Jesus"

 

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September 14, 2011

The FDA

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September 14, 2011

The international nature of this type of scam means that it cannot be stopped by legislation or restrictions imposed by respectable scientists. Moreover, desperate people will always take these risks however much we try to educate them; for an untreatable lethal condition, even an outside chance is better than no hope. This is an innate feature of human behaviour and underlies a long history of unreasoning interest in miracle therapies of all sorts.
Responsible scientists are seen, at best, as not knowing everything, especially when they have not themselves tried the particular therapy - which is always the case with responsible scientists. At worst, they are viewed as having a vested interest in their dismissal of the various charlatan claims.

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September 14, 2011

Thanks for this piece.  We need more help with figuring out how to curb this. 

To my knowledge these "clinics" haven't shown any interest in getting stem cells from legitimate sources. 

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September 14, 2011

Here is a brand new bioinformatic web site focusing on 
stem cell, autism,breast cancer, bipolar disorder,COPD, ADHD, Arthritis,Alzheimer's, brain tumor, Diabetes related genes. My new web site  http://www.gene2gene.com  http://www.Classification.htm     http://www.gene2gene.com/Oct4....   stem cell
http://www.gene2gene.com/P53.h...    stem cell  DR: Verma, You did it on 2002)Go take a look! Not finish yet!I have not touch Tourism ,cryptdin-2, ESAT6, Ag85B  ,mRNA,!Eat beef is a major reason for Japan woman's breast canter and stomach cancer for me!
I got PhD. on Molecular Biology with Dr. J. Ito,at U . of Arizona, Tucson,27 years ago!  I work with Dr,Bernard Roizmens on HSV-1 vaccine 28 years ago at U of Chicago! 

Michael Shih/creator of http://www.biocarta.com 
2002,I left Biocarta to work at ITRI Research Institute at Taiwan,  
Early Oct My mother pass away at San Diego, End of Oct, End of Oct,I participated running exercise at ITRI, I fall down, I saw my mother, She told me " It is not the time for you to come here, go back!" I also saw my brother in law, two uncles, and  
grandma! Few days later, I was moved to major hospital at Taipei!One night, I waked up, and knell down against the window,my wife ask me "What you doing?" I told her, "I saw Jesus"

 

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September 15, 2011

Quote-His contention is that rogue clinics can themselves derive embryonic
stem cells from embryos, create induced pluripotent stem cells from
patients, or simply not transfer anything into a patient, providing
nothing more than a placebo Quote end.

I sense the typical blinders from the professional eternal research community. Clinicaltrials.gov returns >4000 entries on stem cell registered trials. All adult stem cell trials, which as the knowledge of researchers and clinicians in that field improve over time, provide continuously improving clinical results. Except a few clinics in China and Ucraine- this is what stem cell tourism is all about. Mainly autologous adult stem cell treatments, which if the cells provided are clinical grade and delivered in a responsible fashion- should not be a safety issue period. But the FDA believe such type cells to be drugs- that is the issue, such nonsense.

If the misguided billions of research money on Escs and iPS cells would have been channelled in a responsible way- the population of this globe could already live 10-20 years longer and healtcare cost would be cut in half. IMO.

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September 15, 2011

Quote-His contention is that rogue clinics can themselves derive embryonic
stem cells from embryos, create induced pluripotent stem cells from
patients, or simply not transfer anything into a patient, providing
nothing more than a placebo Quote end.

I sense the typical blinders from the professional eternal research community. Clinicaltrials.gov returns >4000 entries on stem cell registered trials. All adult stem cell trials, which as the knowledge of researchers and clinicians in that field improve over time, provide continuously improving clinical results. Except a few clinics in China and Ucraine- this is what stem cell tourism is all about. Mainly autologous adult stem cell treatments, which if the cells provided are clinical grade and delivered in a responsible fashion- should not be a safety issue period. But the FDA believe such type cells to be drugs- that is the issue, such nonsense.

If the misguided billions of research money on Escs and iPS cells would have been channelled in a responsible way- the population of this globe could already live 10-20 years longer and healtcare cost would be cut in half. IMO.

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September 15, 2011

Good Article! 
karlis 

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September 15, 2011

Good Article! 
karlis 

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September 15, 2011

Good Article! 
karlis 

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Fas Kuiters

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September 15, 2011

Quote-His contention is that rogue clinics can themselves derive embryonic
stem cells from embryos, create induced pluripotent stem cells from
patients, or simply not transfer anything into a patient, providing
nothing more than a placebo Quote end.

I sense the typical blinders from the professional eternal research community. Clinicaltrials.gov returns >4000 entries on stem cell registered trials. All adult stem cell trials, which as the knowledge of researchers and clinicians in that field improve over time, provide continuously improving clinical results. Except a few clinics in China and Ucraine- this is what stem cell tourism is all about. Mainly autologous adult stem cell treatments, which if the cells provided are clinical grade and delivered in a responsible fashion- should not be a safety issue period. But the FDA believe such type cells to be drugs- that is the issue, such nonsense.

If the misguided billions of research money on Escs and iPS cells would have been channelled in a responsible way- the population of this globe could already live 10-20 years longer and healtcare cost would be cut in half. IMO.

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Anonymous

September 17, 2011

Barbara,

I would like to make a quick comment with respect to your comments anf hopefully add some good information to this discussion.  I work for a company that has brought cell therapy to another level here in the United States of America.  Progenacell saved my son's kidneys and I have witnessed incredible results from the treatment protocol that is being used by our head clinician/oncologist in Germany, Ulrich Friedrichson, MD (Indiana University, USA), Phd Genetics (Tubingen, Germany).  Dr. UF opened this clinic in 1976 and he has treated hundreds of thousands of patients utilizing different variations of SCXT (stem cell xeno transplantation) and NEVER had one case of negative side affect or death associated with his cell therapy.  Autologous cell therapy has very limited efficacy and although there has been some success, the bottom line is there are many clinics with clinicians who have no clue what they are doing and it is THIS kind of 'practice' that has resulted in negative publicity for the industry.  many of these statements of tumors and deaths being caused by cell therapy are myths, but in the case of Excell in Germany, the use of autologous cell therapy was responsible for a death but ONLY because of misapplication and poor medical training of the individual that was performing the procedure.  i believe the spinal cord was punctured causing the patient to bleed to death.  We do not treat any patients with this method because it IS dangerous.  Most cell therapy is delivered via intramuscular injection using 23 gauge syringes which is hardly dangerous.  The cell products are manufactured utilizing highly specialized techniques that have been developed that allow cryogenic preservation leading to longer shelf life and easier application than in the past.

We are on the cutting edge of the most advanced technology available but understand that SCXT has been in the application stage with humans for over 70 years in Russia and other parts of Asia and in the past 50 years in Europe. The 'research' is the process of fine tuning the treatment procedure to customize every therapy session for that specific patient.  We treat the patient, not the disease.  Cell therapy supercharges the body's immune system and enables the body to heal itself by finding and repairing the damaged genetic material and kick starting the regenerative process.  Thank you for the opportunity to share my knowledge in this thread.

regards,

Doug Herich

Director, Patient Services
Progenacell, Inc.
714-331-7907

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Anonymous

September 17, 2011

Stem Cell Xenotherapy is a SCAM...or at least it appears so at face value...ever hear of the concept of hyperacute rejection??

do you have any idea how much money my colleagues at Novartis had to spend on doing safety studies as part of their xenotransplant preclinical????and here you are injecting sheep cells and having the gall to call them stem cells...

listen, if you are injecting dead cells then you are sensitizing the patient and making them not eligiable to receive other stem cell treatments....if you are injecting live cells then you have the risk of zoonosis (if you even know what that word means)...in any case this is BAD STUFF

...Its companies like yours that give everyone in the industry a bad name...im furious after having looked at your website....this is propably the only thing i agree with ISSCR that they should shut down

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Anonymous

September 17, 2011

Our source is in Germany and is VERY legitimate.

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Fas Kuiters

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September 17, 2011

Douglas- Without wanting to write a paper tonight, it is my sincere believe, that at this stage of cell-to-cell, paracrine mechanism of action, driven adult cell therapy development, where we are now, only autologous appear to be safe and absolutely non-toxic. Recent pathology reports coming out of St. Lukes (Texas heart) clearly indicate that the thesis of allogenic cells being immonugenetic being a fairy tale. Despite obvious efficacy in various clinical applications.

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September 17, 2011

Good comments Fas...our clinic in Germany has been utilizing ONLY allo cell therapy for the past 30 years mostly derived from first and third trimester sheep cells.  The results are incredibly good with an approximate success rate of 75%.  this is however a moving target since the condition of the patient (age, health, type and severity of medical condition) all factor in to that end result.  Obviously, someone with 4th stage cancer is not going to respond as well or as fast as someone in the initial stages and age plays a large role as well.  This is all a part of the process in bringing this well tested and proven technology here to the USA and eliminating the cell therapy myths that are floating around our industry.

Allogeneic cell therapy is where the future of our industry is headed and it is only a matter of time before this becomes abundantly clear.  My own son is a perfect example of what cell therapy can do...

Doug Herich

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September 17, 2011

Douglas- Without wanting to write a paper tonight, it is my sincere believe, that at this stage of cell-to-cell, paracrine mechanism of action, driven adult cell therapy development, where we are now, only autologous appear to be safe and absolutely non-toxic. Recent pathology reports coming out of St. Lukes (Texas heart) clearly indicate that the thesis of allogenic cells being immonugenetic being a fairy tale. Despite obvious efficacy in various clinical applications.

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September 17, 2011

Stem Cell Xenotherapy is a SCAM...or at least it appears so at face value...ever hear of the concept of hyperacute rejection??

do you have any idea how much money my colleagues at Novartis had to spend on doing safety studies as part of their xenotransplant preclinical????and here you are injecting sheep cells and having the gall to call them stem cells...

listen, if you are injecting dead cells then you are sensitizing the patient and making them not eligiable to receive other stem cell treatments....if you are injecting live cells then you have the risk of zoonosis (if you even know what that word means)...in any case this is BAD STUFF

...Its companies like yours that give everyone in the industry a bad name...im furious after having looked at your website....this is propably the only thing i agree with ISSCR that they should shut down

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September 17, 2011

Stem Cell Xenotherapy is a SCAM...or at least it appears so at face value...ever hear of the concept of hyperacute rejection??

do you have any idea how much money my colleagues at Novartis had to spend on doing safety studies as part of their xenotransplant preclinical????and here you are injecting sheep cells and having the gall to call them stem cells...

listen, if you are injecting dead cells then you are sensitizing the patient and making them not eligiable to receive other stem cell treatments....if you are injecting live cells then you have the risk of zoonosis (if you even know what that word means)...in any case this is BAD STUFF

...Its companies like yours that give everyone in the industry a bad name...im furious after having looked at your website....this is propably the only thing i agree with ISSCR that they should shut down

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September 17, 2011

Our source is in Germany and is VERY legitimate.

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September 17, 2011

Douglas- Without wanting to write a paper tonight, it is my sincere believe, that at this stage of cell-to-cell, paracrine mechanism of action, driven adult cell therapy development, where we are now, only autologous appear to be safe and absolutely non-toxic. Recent pathology reports coming out of St. Lukes (Texas heart) clearly indicate that the thesis of allogenic cells being immonugenetic being a fairy tale. Despite obvious efficacy in various clinical applications.

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September 17, 2011

Our source is in Germany and is VERY legitimate.

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September 17, 2011

Good comments Fas...our clinic in Germany has been utilizing ONLY allo cell therapy for the past 30 years mostly derived from first and third trimester sheep cells.  The results are incredibly good with an approximate success rate of 75%.  this is however a moving target since the condition of the patient (age, health, type and severity of medical condition) all factor in to that end result.  Obviously, someone with 4th stage cancer is not going to respond as well or as fast as someone in the initial stages and age plays a large role as well.  This is all a part of the process in bringing this well tested and proven technology here to the USA and eliminating the cell therapy myths that are floating around our industry.

Allogeneic cell therapy is where the future of our industry is headed and it is only a matter of time before this becomes abundantly clear.  My own son is a perfect example of what cell therapy can do...

Doug Herich

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September 17, 2011

Good comments Fas...our clinic in Germany has been utilizing ONLY allo cell therapy for the past 30 years mostly derived from first and third trimester sheep cells.  The results are incredibly good with an approximate success rate of 75%.  this is however a moving target since the condition of the patient (age, health, type and severity of medical condition) all factor in to that end result.  Obviously, someone with 4th stage cancer is not going to respond as well or as fast as someone in the initial stages and age plays a large role as well.  This is all a part of the process in bringing this well tested and proven technology here to the USA and eliminating the cell therapy myths that are floating around our industry.

Allogeneic cell therapy is where the future of our industry is headed and it is only a matter of time before this becomes abundantly clear.  My own son is a perfect example of what cell therapy can do...

Doug Herich

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September 17, 2011

Barbara,

I would like to make a quick comment with respect to your comments anf hopefully add some good information to this discussion.  I work for a company that has brought cell therapy to another level here in the United States of America.  Progenacell saved my son's kidneys and I have witnessed incredible results from the treatment protocol that is being used by our head clinician/oncologist in Germany, Ulrich Friedrichson, MD (Indiana University, USA), Phd Genetics (Tubingen, Germany).  Dr. UF opened this clinic in 1976 and he has treated hundreds of thousands of patients utilizing different variations of SCXT (stem cell xeno transplantation) and NEVER had one case of negative side affect or death associated with his cell therapy.  Autologous cell therapy has very limited efficacy and although there has been some success, the bottom line is there are many clinics with clinicians who have no clue what they are doing and it is THIS kind of 'practice' that has resulted in negative publicity for the industry.  many of these statements of tumors and deaths being caused by cell therapy are myths, but in the case of Excell in Germany, the use of autologous cell therapy was responsible for a death but ONLY because of misapplication and poor medical training of the individual that was performing the procedure.  i believe the spinal cord was punctured causing the patient to bleed to death.  We do not treat any patients with this method because it IS dangerous.  Most cell therapy is delivered via intramuscular injection using 23 gauge syringes which is hardly dangerous.  The cell products are manufactured utilizing highly specialized techniques that have been developed that allow cryogenic preservation leading to longer shelf life and easier application than in the past.

We are on the cutting edge of the most advanced technology available but understand that SCXT has been in the application stage with humans for over 70 years in Russia and other parts of Asia and in the past 50 years in Europe. The 'research' is the process of fine tuning the treatment procedure to customize every therapy session for that specific patient.  We treat the patient, not the disease.  Cell therapy supercharges the body's immune system and enables the body to heal itself by finding and repairing the damaged genetic material and kick starting the regenerative process.  Thank you for the opportunity to share my knowledge in this thread.

regards,

Doug Herich

Director, Patient Services
Progenacell, Inc.
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September 17, 2011

Barbara,

I would like to make a quick comment with respect to your comments anf hopefully add some good information to this discussion.  I work for a company that has brought cell therapy to another level here in the United States of America.  Progenacell saved my son's kidneys and I have witnessed incredible results from the treatment protocol that is being used by our head clinician/oncologist in Germany, Ulrich Friedrichson, MD (Indiana University, USA), Phd Genetics (Tubingen, Germany).  Dr. UF opened this clinic in 1976 and he has treated hundreds of thousands of patients utilizing different variations of SCXT (stem cell xeno transplantation) and NEVER had one case of negative side affect or death associated with his cell therapy.  Autologous cell therapy has very limited efficacy and although there has been some success, the bottom line is there are many clinics with clinicians who have no clue what they are doing and it is THIS kind of 'practice' that has resulted in negative publicity for the industry.  many of these statements of tumors and deaths being caused by cell therapy are myths, but in the case of Excell in Germany, the use of autologous cell therapy was responsible for a death but ONLY because of misapplication and poor medical training of the individual that was performing the procedure.  i believe the spinal cord was punctured causing the patient to bleed to death.  We do not treat any patients with this method because it IS dangerous.  Most cell therapy is delivered via intramuscular injection using 23 gauge syringes which is hardly dangerous.  The cell products are manufactured utilizing highly specialized techniques that have been developed that allow cryogenic preservation leading to longer shelf life and easier application than in the past.

We are on the cutting edge of the most advanced technology available but understand that SCXT has been in the application stage with humans for over 70 years in Russia and other parts of Asia and in the past 50 years in Europe. The 'research' is the process of fine tuning the treatment procedure to customize every therapy session for that specific patient.  We treat the patient, not the disease.  Cell therapy supercharges the body's immune system and enables the body to heal itself by finding and repairing the damaged genetic material and kick starting the regenerative process.  Thank you for the opportunity to share my knowledge in this thread.

regards,

Doug Herich

Director, Patient Services
Progenacell, Inc.
714-331-7907

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September 18, 2011

Yes, i believe you are correct BB...they are very easy to spot and are usually large publicly traded pharmaceutical mega-corporations that are only concerned with their bottom line.

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September 18, 2011

I would also like to add that these sources are registered with the German government and are highly regulated and subject to stringint standards that are oftentimes higher than those set by the FDA for clinical trials performed in the USA.  I would be more than happy to share the references I have mentioned earlier to anyone that has an interest and they are also available on the internet and can be easily found with a simple google search for "allogeneic stem cell xeno transplantation russia, germany, asia"  You may have to data mine a little but it's not that difficult to find the truth.  thanks for providing this wonderful forum allowing discussion and an exchange of ideas and technology in an open format.

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September 18, 2011

Yes, i believe you are correct BB...they are very easy to spot and are usually large publicly traded pharmaceutical mega-corporations that are only concerned with their bottom line.

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September 18, 2011

I would also like to add that these sources are registered with the German government and are highly regulated and subject to stringint standards that are oftentimes higher than those set by the FDA for clinical trials performed in the USA.  I would be more than happy to share the references I have mentioned earlier to anyone that has an interest and they are also available on the internet and can be easily found with a simple google search for "allogeneic stem cell xeno transplantation russia, germany, asia"  You may have to data mine a little but it's not that difficult to find the truth.  thanks for providing this wonderful forum allowing discussion and an exchange of ideas and technology in an open format.

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September 18, 2011

Yes, i believe you are correct BB...they are very easy to spot and are usually large publicly traded pharmaceutical mega-corporations that are only concerned with their bottom line.

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September 18, 2011

I would also like to add that these sources are registered with the German government and are highly regulated and subject to stringint standards that are oftentimes higher than those set by the FDA for clinical trials performed in the USA.  I would be more than happy to share the references I have mentioned earlier to anyone that has an interest and they are also available on the internet and can be easily found with a simple google search for "allogeneic stem cell xeno transplantation russia, germany, asia"  You may have to data mine a little but it's not that difficult to find the truth.  thanks for providing this wonderful forum allowing discussion and an exchange of ideas and technology in an open format.

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September 20, 2011

how about some form of international rating of stem cell clinics/physicians, to be conducted by reputable bodies such as ISSCR to give some inference of whether the patient is buying snake oil or not?

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September 20, 2011

how about some form of international rating of stem cell clinics/physicians, to be conducted by reputable bodies such as ISSCR to give some inference of whether the patient is buying snake oil or not?

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September 20, 2011

Surely there's bad stuff. Caveat Emptor rules, but we can't afford to protect people from themselves. We also can't afford to protect the pharmafia to the extent that they control these therapies with the iron hand of their business partners, the FDA. Then we will have the same openly corrupt, overpriced empire that provides ineffective cancer treatment and punishes those who offer the "real deal" therapies.

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September 20, 2011

Surely there's bad stuff. Caveat Emptor rules, but we can't afford to protect people from themselves. We also can't afford to protect the pharmafia to the extent that they control these therapies with the iron hand of their business partners, the FDA. Then we will have the same openly corrupt, overpriced empire that provides ineffective cancer treatment and punishes those who offer the "real deal" therapies.

Angela

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September 20, 2011

how about some form of international rating of stem cell clinics/physicians, to be conducted by reputable bodies such as ISSCR to give some inference of whether the patient is buying snake oil or not?

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September 20, 2011

Surely there's bad stuff. Caveat Emptor rules, but we can't afford to protect people from themselves. We also can't afford to protect the pharmafia to the extent that they control these therapies with the iron hand of their business partners, the FDA. Then we will have the same openly corrupt, overpriced empire that provides ineffective cancer treatment and punishes those who offer the "real deal" therapies.

Angela

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September 21, 2011

A typically misleading article, funded by Pharma in its effort to kill the only stem cells which threaten its half-billion a week profits on useless toxic drugs.   Doctors in this corrupt system are not allowed to CURE any chronic disease and spoil profits.  Heart, diabetes, renal failure, cancer, MS, CP, etc etc--profits are all that matters, dying patients are worthless to them.

These writers are clearly funded to destroy any semblance of real stem cells helping no-hope patients.  They chirp about the few frauds and the fact that the FDA which THEY RUN has not approved what works.

Two thousand no-hope heart patients around the world have had their lives improved by adult stem cells. One thousand paralyzed SCI patients have had their lives improved.  Put this in your pipe and smoke it, Master & Resnik, while you do your utmost to make sure they continue to suffer and die young.

Don Margolis, Chairman
Repair Stem Cell Institute

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September 21, 2011

Thanks Angela, you hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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September 21, 2011

Thanks Angela, you hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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September 21, 2011

Doug u r a charlatan! I hate isscr but on this point I agree with them...u have no business talking about scienitific matters because u do not know the difference between allo and xeno... By the way I have already emailed your dumbass my email and cell phone Thomas.Ichim@gmail.com and 8583493617....and haven't heard jack all...u r selling snake oil and make all of us who do real work in this area look bad....thank u for making yourself a common target for all rationale folks in this field...now maybe irv weissman's and I
have something in common!

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September 21, 2011

We do not operate a "rogue" clinic. We are 100% legal and have the German government approvals to prove it.  It was like pulling teeth to get them and the BIG pharma companies to admit it, but our cell therapy works and is safer than taking a couple of aspirin...and THAT my friends IS the truth. 

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September 21, 2011

We do not operate a "rogue" clinic. We are 100% legal and have the German government approvals to prove it.  It was like pulling teeth to get them and the BIG pharma companies to admit it, but our cell therapy works and is safer than taking a couple of aspirin...and THAT my friends IS the truth. 

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September 21, 2011

We do not operate a "rogue" clinic. We are 100% legal and have the German government approvals to prove it.  It was like pulling teeth to get them and the BIG pharma companies to admit it, but our cell therapy works and is safer than taking a couple of aspirin...and THAT my friends IS the truth. 

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September 21, 2011

A typically misleading article, funded by Pharma in its effort to kill the only stem cells which threaten its half-billion a week profits on useless toxic drugs.   Doctors in this corrupt system are not allowed to CURE any chronic disease and spoil profits.  Heart, diabetes, renal failure, cancer, MS, CP, etc etc--profits are all that matters, dying patients are worthless to them.

These writers are clearly funded to destroy any semblance of real stem cells helping no-hope patients.  They chirp about the few frauds and the fact that the FDA which THEY RUN has not approved what works.

Two thousand no-hope heart patients around the world have had their lives improved by adult stem cells. One thousand paralyzed SCI patients have had their lives improved.  Put this in your pipe and smoke it, Master & Resnik, while you do your utmost to make sure they continue to suffer and die young.

Don Margolis, Chairman
Repair Stem Cell Institute

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September 21, 2011

Doug u r a charlatan! I hate isscr but on this point I agree with them...u have no business talking about scienitific matters because u do not know the difference between allo and xeno... By the way I have already emailed your dumbass my email and cell phone Thomas.Ichim@gmail.com and 8583493617....and haven't heard jack all...u r selling snake oil and make all of us who do real work in this area look bad....thank u for making yourself a common target for all rationale folks in this field...now maybe irv weissman's and I
have something in common!

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September 21, 2011

A typically misleading article, funded by Pharma in its effort to kill the only stem cells which threaten its half-billion a week profits on useless toxic drugs.   Doctors in this corrupt system are not allowed to CURE any chronic disease and spoil profits.  Heart, diabetes, renal failure, cancer, MS, CP, etc etc--profits are all that matters, dying patients are worthless to them.

These writers are clearly funded to destroy any semblance of real stem cells helping no-hope patients.  They chirp about the few frauds and the fact that the FDA which THEY RUN has not approved what works.

Two thousand no-hope heart patients around the world have had their lives improved by adult stem cells. One thousand paralyzed SCI patients have had their lives improved.  Put this in your pipe and smoke it, Master & Resnik, while you do your utmost to make sure they continue to suffer and die young.

Don Margolis, Chairman
Repair Stem Cell Institute

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September 21, 2011

Thanks Angela, you hit the nail on the head with that statement.

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September 21, 2011

Doug u r a charlatan! I hate isscr but on this point I agree with them...u have no business talking about scienitific matters because u do not know the difference between allo and xeno... By the way I have already emailed your dumbass my email and cell phone Thomas.Ichim@gmail.com and 8583493617....and haven't heard jack all...u r selling snake oil and make all of us who do real work in this area look bad....thank u for making yourself a common target for all rationale folks in this field...now maybe irv weissman's and I
have something in common!

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September 30, 2011

Being a patient who is noticing an awful lot of stem cell clinics popping up in the U.S. charging a lot of money for unproven treatments, I don't see that the problem is exclusively an international one. I personally like the ICMS guidelines that could be the standard for doctors to use in their practice of medicine. I am tired of seeing a lot of rip offs in the industry, but I also am tired of patients being given no options when they are terminally or chronically ill. If their doctor was the one to help them make the decision instead of a high pressure sales rep at a clinic somewhere or a fancy website that lures them in, I believe it would enable the patient to make a wiser choice. There are too many that are desperately ill being taken advantage of by clinics offering unproven and sometimes unsafe treatments. Not all clinics are like this, but there are too many that are and some of them are right here in the USA.

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September 30, 2011

Which is exactly why, three years ago, we created the Repair Stem Cell Institute.  To educate and guide new patients to one of the few competent stem cell centers for their condition.

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September 30, 2011

I agree with you Barbara...so who and what company has "ripped you off" as you say?  State the name right here.  I have not as yet ascertained that MediStem is a legitimate company but I keep trying.  They seem to be involved in an FDA clinical trial using stem cells from a woman's uterus (endometrial) and culturing them before implanting them again???  Is THAT what you had?  No wonder you are complaining!  Sounds like chicanery to me and where are the proven results?  I can't even find the pink sheets on this publicly traded company and the disclosures are very sketchy so Thomas Ichim may very well be 'the pot calling the kettle black'.  Where did he receive his Phd and what did he study?  Let's see his thesis because based on an overview of the interviews he moderates on YouTube, his knowledge of cell regenerative therapy is minimal at best.  I believe this whole trial is a hoax designed to prove that cell therapy won't work.  Yup, they do this sort of thing and you may very well be a victim Barbara. I am not making any claims but I do know this, what we are doing has PROVEN efficacy over a 70 year period and we don't need a clinical trial to establish that. 

I am not being critical of Mr. Ichim personally, but from an industry perspective, he should be the last one to point his fingers at other industry firms like ours' that he knows nothing about.  Our clinic in Germany was opened in 1976...probably before Mr. Ichim even had his Bar Mitzvah.  How long has MediStem been around?  I question his reasoning for attacking us, that points to a form of bullying which is indicative of an FDA operative.

I think i know who you are Barbara...you moderate a forum that is ONLY interested in autologous cell therapy and rejects any notion of allo therapy because you seem to think it is dangerous.  Well listen to this...no one has EVER had a negative side affect from our treatments and hundreds of thousands of patients have been treated over the years. Perhaps your lack of knowing these facts have blurred your perspective and if all you have experienced is autologous therapy, maybe THIS is why you have had such poor results.

Educate yourself Barbara...the truth is out there but it won't just fall in your lap.  It takes effort and don't just believe me...prove it to yourself.  Dr. Michael Molnar pioneered SCXT and wrote the book on it.  read it and then you can honestly say you know what you are talking about.  I tried to help educate you and your group and you flat out rejected my attempt stating that I was trying to "sell" you and your members.  I don't really care what you think, but understand that knowledge is what empowers us...and with this knowledge we can ;learn what is best FOR US.

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September 30, 2011

I agree with you Barbara...so who and what company has "ripped you off" as you say?  State the name right here.  I have not as yet ascertained that MediStem is a legitimate company but I keep trying.  They seem to be involved in an FDA clinical trial using stem cells from a woman's uterus (endometrial) and culturing them before implanting them again???  Is THAT what you had?  No wonder you are complaining!  Sounds like chicanery to me and where are the proven results?  I can't even find the pink sheets on this publicly traded company and the disclosures are very sketchy so Thomas Ichim may very well be 'the pot calling the kettle black'.  Where did he receive his Phd and what did he study?  Let's see his thesis because based on an overview of the interviews he moderates on YouTube, his knowledge of cell regenerative therapy is minimal at best.  I believe this whole trial is a hoax designed to prove that cell therapy won't work.  Yup, they do this sort of thing and you may very well be a victim Barbara. I am not making any claims but I do know this, what we are doing has PROVEN efficacy over a 70 year period and we don't need a clinical trial to establish that. 

I am not being critical of Mr. Ichim personally, but from an industry perspective, he should be the last one to point his fingers at other industry firms like ours' that he knows nothing about.  Our clinic in Germany was opened in 1976...probably before Mr. Ichim even had his Bar Mitzvah.  How long has MediStem been around?  I question his reasoning for attacking us, that points to a form of bullying which is indicative of an FDA operative.

I think i know who you are Barbara...you moderate a forum that is ONLY interested in autologous cell therapy and rejects any notion of allo therapy because you seem to think it is dangerous.  Well listen to this...no one has EVER had a negative side affect from our treatments and hundreds of thousands of patients have been treated over the years. Perhaps your lack of knowing these facts have blurred your perspective and if all you have experienced is autologous therapy, maybe THIS is why you have had such poor results.

Educate yourself Barbara...the truth is out there but it won't just fall in your lap.  It takes effort and don't just believe me...prove it to yourself.  Dr. Michael Molnar pioneered SCXT and wrote the book on it.  read it and then you can honestly say you know what you are talking about.  I tried to help educate you and your group and you flat out rejected my attempt stating that I was trying to "sell" you and your members.  I don't really care what you think, but understand that knowledge is what empowers us...and with this knowledge we can ;learn what is best FOR US.

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September 30, 2011

Being a patient who is noticing an awful lot of stem cell clinics popping up in the U.S. charging a lot of money for unproven treatments, I don't see that the problem is exclusively an international one. I personally like the ICMS guidelines that could be the standard for doctors to use in their practice of medicine. I am tired of seeing a lot of rip offs in the industry, but I also am tired of patients being given no options when they are terminally or chronically ill. If their doctor was the one to help them make the decision instead of a high pressure sales rep at a clinic somewhere or a fancy website that lures them in, I believe it would enable the patient to make a wiser choice. There are too many that are desperately ill being taken advantage of by clinics offering unproven and sometimes unsafe treatments. Not all clinics are like this, but there are too many that are and some of them are right here in the USA.

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September 30, 2011

Being a patient who is noticing an awful lot of stem cell clinics popping up in the U.S. charging a lot of money for unproven treatments, I don't see that the problem is exclusively an international one. I personally like the ICMS guidelines that could be the standard for doctors to use in their practice of medicine. I am tired of seeing a lot of rip offs in the industry, but I also am tired of patients being given no options when they are terminally or chronically ill. If their doctor was the one to help them make the decision instead of a high pressure sales rep at a clinic somewhere or a fancy website that lures them in, I believe it would enable the patient to make a wiser choice. There are too many that are desperately ill being taken advantage of by clinics offering unproven and sometimes unsafe treatments. Not all clinics are like this, but there are too many that are and some of them are right here in the USA.

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September 30, 2011

Which is exactly why, three years ago, we created the Repair Stem Cell Institute.  To educate and guide new patients to one of the few competent stem cell centers for their condition.

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September 30, 2011

I agree with you Barbara...so who and what company has "ripped you off" as you say?  State the name right here.  I have not as yet ascertained that MediStem is a legitimate company but I keep trying.  They seem to be involved in an FDA clinical trial using stem cells from a woman's uterus (endometrial) and culturing them before implanting them again???  Is THAT what you had?  No wonder you are complaining!  Sounds like chicanery to me and where are the proven results?  I can't even find the pink sheets on this publicly traded company and the disclosures are very sketchy so Thomas Ichim may very well be 'the pot calling the kettle black'.  Where did he receive his Phd and what did he study?  Let's see his thesis because based on an overview of the interviews he moderates on YouTube, his knowledge of cell regenerative therapy is minimal at best.  I believe this whole trial is a hoax designed to prove that cell therapy won't work.  Yup, they do this sort of thing and you may very well be a victim Barbara. I am not making any claims but I do know this, what we are doing has PROVEN efficacy over a 70 year period and we don't need a clinical trial to establish that. 

I am not being critical of Mr. Ichim personally, but from an industry perspective, he should be the last one to point his fingers at other industry firms like ours' that he knows nothing about.  Our clinic in Germany was opened in 1976...probably before Mr. Ichim even had his Bar Mitzvah.  How long has MediStem been around?  I question his reasoning for attacking us, that points to a form of bullying which is indicative of an FDA operative.

I think i know who you are Barbara...you moderate a forum that is ONLY interested in autologous cell therapy and rejects any notion of allo therapy because you seem to think it is dangerous.  Well listen to this...no one has EVER had a negative side affect from our treatments and hundreds of thousands of patients have been treated over the years. Perhaps your lack of knowing these facts have blurred your perspective and if all you have experienced is autologous therapy, maybe THIS is why you have had such poor results.

Educate yourself Barbara...the truth is out there but it won't just fall in your lap.  It takes effort and don't just believe me...prove it to yourself.  Dr. Michael Molnar pioneered SCXT and wrote the book on it.  read it and then you can honestly say you know what you are talking about.  I tried to help educate you and your group and you flat out rejected my attempt stating that I was trying to "sell" you and your members.  I don't really care what you think, but understand that knowledge is what empowers us...and with this knowledge we can ;learn what is best FOR US.

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Which is exactly why, three years ago, we created the Repair Stem Cell Institute.  To educate and guide new patients to one of the few competent stem cell centers for their condition.

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