Whither Science Publishing?

As we stand on the brink of a new scientific age, how researchers should best communicate their findings and innovations is hotly debated in the publishing trenches.

By | August 1, 2012

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Scholarly publishing is, and always has been, an adaptable beast. What started as the hand-scribed musings of ancient philosophers evolved into the printed manuscripts of wealthy gentlemen-scientists observing nature or conducting experiments using their own pounds sterling. These “natural philosophers” formed the Royal Society of London for Improving Natural Knowledge in the mid-17th century and published their work in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society, the first journal devoted entirely to science and one that continues to publish biweekly issues to this day.

Over the intervening centuries, academic publishing has morphed into a sprawling international industry that, on the one hand, rakes in revenues of more than $19 billion in its scientific, technical, and medical segment alone, according to one 2008 analysis (Electronic Journal of Academic and Special Librarianship, 9, ISSN 1704-8532, 2008). On the other hand, a constellation of open-access (OA) publishers, producing nearly 8,000 OA journals (according to statistics kept by the Directory of Open Access Journals) has grown up, paralleling the rise of the Internet as the primary mode of gathering, communicating, and sharing information both inside and outside the scientific community.

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Today, researchers stand on the brink of a new age in scholarly publishing. Never before has science been so inundated with new findings, or have technical advances generated such mountains of data. Innovations sprout from labs the world over as humanity’s understanding of our universe grows. But that growth is only as robust as the system used to share disparate bits of knowledge, test and challenge reported advances, and remotely collaborate in scientific efforts. To keep up with the blistering pace of scientific and technological advances, publishers are getting creative. In recent years, new concepts such as post-publication peer review, all-scientist editorial teams, lifetime publishing privilege fees, and funder-supported open access have entered the publishing consciousness.

But open access and other newer publishing modalities are still dwarfed by the traditional subscription-based model. Will open access eventually become the dominant mode of publishing science? Are there unseen challenges that await such a dramatic shift? Are there ways to improve the traditional system of peer review, a practice introduced nearly 350 years ago to vet articles published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society?

The Scientist asked these questions and more of publishers, researchers,
information scientists, and others to get a sense of where scientific publishing stands today, and where it’s going. Here’s what they had to say.
—Bob GrantThe Scientist

QUESTION 1: What are the main problems with the existing system for publishing scientific research?

Michael Eisen: Everything.


The question should be: “What isn’t a problem with the existing system of scientific publishing?” Every major aspect of the traditional journal system scientists use to communicate with each other was developed for a world in which information was disseminated in printed journals. And every single major aspect of this system—the format of papers, the structure of peer review, the subscription-based business model, and even the very existence of journals—has been rendered obsolete by the rise of the Internet. Because of our continued unwillingness as a community to face up to the challenge of reforming scientific communication, we are left with a system that is slow, capricious, and intrusive; produces papers in an archaic format that limits the conveyance of data and ideas; costs an obscene amount of money; and provides access to a small fraction of the people who are interested in and could benefit from the most up-to-date scientific discoveries.

If the entire publishing industry disappeared tomorrow, science would be immeasurably better off. It might take us a few weeks to recover and build a new system optimized for modern science and electronic communication. But if we did it right, it would not retain any features of the current system.

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: The current system fails to take advantage of the potential created by technology to advance scientific discourse and accelerate the pace of discovery.

For example, print-oriented approaches restrict the publication of full-length, data-rich articles in magazines that necessarily have limited page space. And the most competitive journals—those that young scholars seek for career advancement—artificially limit the fraction of papers that are accepted. These limits have no place in the online environment.

Patrick Taylor: I think there are three major problems. Most notoriously, access is limited and primarily unidirectional, meaning that articles land in readers’ laps, like an unalterable consumable product, rather than with the dialogue of 17th-century Royal Society proceedings or a vivacious contemporary conference.

Secondly, systems of validation in both open-source and proprietary publication systems are quite weak. That is partly because of the inherent limitations of any review as currently done, and partly because of biases that we seem unable, as yet, to sufficiently control.

Third, and most fundamentally, research publication is still mainly considered apart from the larger public ecosystem in which understandable and valid discoveries, engagement and public support for knowledge, and scientific methods are all intertwined. It’s that decontextualization that leads to narrow discussions about business models for publication, or to benchmarking problems as lapses from a recent status quo, rather than asking ourselves: What would a robust, imaginative, future device for encouraging pertinent inquiry, and validating and disseminating scientific knowledge to peers, policy-makers, and public, optimally look like?

Alicia Wise: It is no surprise to any of us that unfortunately there is an affordability crisis in libraries. This is a huge challenge that impacts on all stakeholders—authors, funders, libraries, publishers, researchers, and universities—and one that is in all our interests to solve.

QUESTION 2: Are there problems with the existing peer-review system?

Patrick Taylor: Sometimes peer review is stellar and insightful—there are peer reviewers I wish I could have given co-authorship or sent flowers to!—and sometimes quixotic. More fundamentally, peer review is inherently limited, unless one has access to underlying raw data, and some greater sense of the lineage of scientific choices than is reflected in a manuscript. Think back on the world-shaking Hwang claims a few years ago that somatic cell nuclear transfer had been achieved in human beings, and the review finally required to establish falsification and to uncover the ethical issues with human egg donations.


I believe that without fundamental changes in data access, like widely pooled data, and iterative collective examination of aims and methods, peer review can never do all we ask it to do, which is to compare and validate approaches, data, results, and directions, in themselves and as stepping stones to further scientific work and informed policy-making.

Stuart Taylor: It is not perfect, but the system has worked well for 350 years. The best work has been published. Occasional mistakes have made it through the process, but the self-correcting elements of the system, such as post-publication criticism, have put them right in the end.

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: The process is slow and cumbersome, and often involves multiple rounds of revision and review, demands for additional experiments, and frequent rejection and resubmission to multiple journals.

John Vaughn: The peer-review system has never been viewed as a flawless system but continues to be widely and appropriately regarded as an indispensable component of the translation of research results into trusted new knowledge. It is the most effective way that has been devised to bring expertise and judgment to the evaluation of reports of scientific research. As a human process that engages multiple perspectives in the evaluation of complex content, peer review is not impervious to error or bias, but government agencies, publishers, universities, and scientists continue to review and refine the peer-review process to assure the highest levels of impartiality, transparency, and integrity.

Donald King: While there are still many flaws in the review process, such as delays, use of “old boy networks,” etc., I believe it is an important component of scholarly publishing. On balance, I believe the benefits outweigh the problems.

Michael Eisen: Peer review as practiced in 21st-century biomedical research poisons science. It is conservative, cumbersome, capricious, and intrusive. It slows down the communication of new ideas and discoveries, while failing to accomplish most of what it purports to do. And, worst of all, the mythical veneer of peer review has created the perception that a handful of journals stand as gatekeepers of success in science, ceding undue power to them, and thereby stifling innovation in scientific communication.

Among the problems that need to be addressed is the unreasonable amount of time the process takes. In my experience, the first round of review rarely takes less than a month, and often takes a lot longer, with papers sitting on reviewers’ desks the primary rate-limiting step. But even more time-consuming is what happens after the initial round of review, when papers have to be rewritten, often with new data collected and analyses done. For typical papers from my lab, it takes 6 to 9 months from initial submission to publication.

The scientific enterprise is all about building on the results of others—but this can’t be done if the results of others are languishing in the hands of reviewers, or suffering through multiple rounds of peer review. There can be little doubt that this delay slows down scientific discovery and the introduction to the public of new ways to diagnose and treat disease.

QUESTION 3: Is open-access publishing the wave of the future? What problems plague open-access publishing as practiced now?

John Vaughn: Open-access publishing is the wave of the future in many disciplines for the simple reason that it is so beneficial to the conduct of research in those disciplines. If the costs of publishing can be fully met at the front end of the process, through author payments or by other means, the extraordinary advances in digital technology and online dissemination make it possible for the final published article to be immediately freely available to all. Thus, scientists will have quicker access to research results, and the broader public will have access to content that many otherwise could access only with difficulty or not at all. Open-access publishing is especially beneficial to the scientific enterprises of developing countries that lack the financial resources and structures to effectively access subscription-based scientific literature.


Brian Scanlan: If we are to continue to have high-quality scientific and scholarly journals, we must continue to have and to strengthen the existing systems of peer review, content preparation, and discoverability. The cost of peer review is high because, on average, fewer than 50 percent of articles are published (the most selective journals reject 90–95 percent of submissions). Subscription fees pay for our work to validate an author’s contribution, as well as to judge its significance, clarity, and originality. Our [Thieme Medical Publishers’] content-preparation process, which includes language editing, measurement standardization, and coding, is particularly important because of the increasing surge of research reports by non-native speakers of English, especially in Asia. Commercial and large-scale society publishers are in the best position to complete these necessary tasks in an efficient manner.

Martin Frank: Not unless funding agencies or universities are able to provide the author payment charges independent of research dollars. Many funding agencies are telling their grantees to pay for publication from their grants. This will further diminish the resources available to an investigator to do research at a time of constricting budgets. Will the universities be willing to transfer some or all of the funds going to libraries to a fund to pay for publication, especially for publications that arise after the investigator’s grant expires? Will universities decide where a faculty member should publish by directing them to OA journals with lower article-processing charges because of budgetary problems at the institution?

Additionally, there is concern about the quality of peer review for these journals and concerns that they will be publishing articles of minimal value. In time, such journals will be recognized and eliminated as viable venues for publication, but in the meantime they are sucking up funds that can be better used for research. They are also serving as venues for the publication of low-quality articles that would traditionally be buried in a file drawer because the research had little value for the community. These OA journals are becoming vanity journals, designed to provide a venue for research. (See “Predatory Publishing”)

Michael Eisen: Yes, if by open access you mean that all scientific publications are made immediately freely available. There are many different ways to support such a system financially: per-article publication fees, such as used by PLoS and BMC, and direct subsidies from funders, as will be done by eLife, are two currently in use.

Alicia Wise: Open-access publishing has been with us for a decade now, so it’s a growing part of the current publishing landscape. Without doubt it will continue to grow, but it is growing from still quite a small base.

I do think it is possible for scholarly publishing to be entirely open access, but I am more skeptical that the foundations currently in place would enable this to happen and the system to remain sustainable. My concern is that without adequate funding and sustainable policies in place, and cooperation amongst stakeholders, a rush to a fully open-access publishing world would be a race to the bottom in terms of quality.

Some of the established mixed-model publishers, including Elsevier, are a bit late to the open-access publishing party and need to establish a credible track record. I’m encouraged by the terrific success we’ve had with Cell Reports and some of our other open-access titles, and so I feel confident that we’ll get there quickly. Authors or their institutions may also sponsor open access to a refereed article in more than 1,200 of Elsevier’s peer-reviewed journals, including The American Journal of Human Genetics, Neuron, and Cell. What keeps me up at night? The scale of investments we are making to transform our back-office systems to be OA ready—how on earth will smaller publishers possibly afford to do this?!

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: Open access is the future of science communication and necessary to advance the pace of research in the digital age. However, while authors continue to submit work to established subscription journals, there is insufficient incentive in the short-term for incumbent publishers to convert subscription journals to open access. High-quality open-access journals have now been established, and new mechanisms for research assessment are also emerging which could rapidly expand open-access publishing and disrupt the traditional subscription journals market.

QUESTION 4: Is there an as-yet-untried alternative to subscription-based or open-access publishing?

John Vaughn: Another emerging option is hybrid journals, which are subscription-based journals in which authors have the option of paying a fee for open-access publishing of their articles.


Stuart Taylor: The web offers many opportunities for self-publishing which have never existed before, so it is now perfectly possible for scientists to simply upload all their methods, data, and conclusions via a blog or one of the other social media routes. However, the burden of quality control would then shift to the reader community rather than being concentrated into a far smaller number of journal editorial boards. This would be much more time-consuming for the reader and would probably be less effective than the present system at sorting the good from the bad.

Alicia Wise: There are many additional revenue streams, or business models, in the mix already, and I believe there will continue to be a mix of models. So, for example, some academic journals carry advertising. There is also a thriving secondary rights revenue stream for most titles. Societies, and others, sponsor issues and journals. And publishers have diversified their product and service base well beyond journals.

Michael Eisen: Yes. Several: direct subsidies to publishers (à la eLife) and doing away with publishers entirely and using a system based completely on something like arXiv.org [a seminal open-access archive used to share research in the fields of mathematics, physics, and computer science].

Susan King No. The value-add that publishers provide through services like supporting peer review; enhancing the global accessibility of scholarly communication in standardized formats; enabling the discovery of knowledge through innovative web-based platforms, tools, and interlinked content; protecting the integrity and reliability of the scholarly record; and preserving the scholarly record for future generations have costs that must be paid for in some way. Both subscription and open-access publishing seek to recover the costs of this ongoing investment from those who benefit from it. It has been argued that even projects such as eLife, which do not plan to charge initially, constitute a form of prepaid gold open access (See "Flavors of Open Access"), with its sponsors prepaying the fees that the project eventually expects to incur.

QUESTION 5: Should the source of funding for scientific research determine how manuscripts arising from that work are published?

Martin Frank: It is inappropriate for funders to dictate business models for publishers.


Stuart Taylor: There is an argument that research funded from the public purse should be made as widely available as possible. However, the guiding principle should not be about what the funder wants but that the results are made as open and transparent as possible. That is how science makes progress.

Patrick Taylor: I think that work funded by the public ought to be as free as possible from any encumbrance whatsoever on access or exploitation of its contents, whether by laypeople, journalists, peers, or policy-makers. Public science requires public access, and publicly engaged science, with data and methods fully exposed in an open field of play for scientists and the community alike. Over time, experience has made me definite and unequivocal on this issue: I do not believe public money should support private fiefdoms, whether the fief is held by a crown prince of publication, a lord among lab heads, or an inventor among investigators. Knowledge is to be shared, and played with in the sunlight. It’s the only way it grows.

Carol Tenopir: If funding agencies require open-access publishing of results and/or data (either immediately or with an embargo), they should also allow or provide the payments for any associated author fees.

Michael Eisen: Absolutely. Funders have a vested interested in ensuring that their work is as valuable as possible, and, given how important scientific communication is, funders have every right—even a responsibility—to dictate the terms under which work they fund is published.

Brian Scanlan: It’s crucial for the freedom of scientific inquiry that the author makes the decision about the number of articles that arise from the research being conducted and where it should be published.

Susan King No. The ability of authors to choose the appropriate journal ensures competition among journal publishers to offer the best service to authors and maintain academic freedom.

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: If an organization is funding research as a public good, then the work should (and can) be made open access. In many fields, including the life and biomedical sciences, it also makes sense for the costs associated with the communication of research to be considered one of the costs of the research itself, leading to a model whereby research grants include expenses for publication fees in open-access journals.

Alicia Wise: Funders can play a powerful role by creating the enabling mechanisms, and in particular creating the funding streams to support gold open-access publishing. However, I strongly believe that they should not decide where articles get published. This is the choice of authors, who need freedom and flexibility to decide where to publish in order to effectively communicate their research and advance their discipline.

QUESTION 6: If you could change one thing about how scientific research is published right now, what would it be?

Michael Eisen: Every paper would be freely and openly available from the moment of publication.


No journals. Scientists effectively blogging about their research whenever they want to share it, producing rich works that combine narratives, methods, ideas, and conclusions, along with embedded data, figures, and other essential information.

Alicia Wise: If I could change one thing overnight it would be to create a place where all stakeholders—authors, funders, librarians, publishers, researchers, universities—would come together to proactively work on practical solutions to the big issues, such as how to deliver universal access to quality scientific publications, and all the little inconveniences.

John Vaughn: The one discrete change that could be implemented in the existing system would be to focus pricing policies on the public purposes of scholarly publishing, setting prices based on costs rather than income generation. Many publishers do this; all should.

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: Create a credible alternative to the journal impact factor for research assessment. The impact factor is a very strong motivating force for author decisions about where to publish their work; it’s a barrier to innovation, including open access. (See “Bring on the Transparency Index”)

Susan King Implementation of a systematic US government-wide policy ensuring public access to research reports produced by researchers who receive federal funding, as required by Federal Acquisition Regulations. The government already receives research reports for the researchers it funds. Agencies including the Department of Energy and the National Science Foundation have extensive Web portals that provide searchable public access to their unclassified reports. To meet the demand for public access to federally funded research results, all the US government has to do is make all research reports publicly available. No new system is required.

Brian Scanlan: The most immediate change that should be made is for librarians to have the courage to break up the big deals [in which journal subscriptions are grouped by publishers]. The big deals are a stranglehold on institutional budgets, reduce competition, support poor-performing journals, and hurt the smaller publishers.

Publishing by the Numbers

In 2008, there were 5.5 million scientists and engineers occupied in science-related industries. They published more than 200,000 articles that year. While large universities employed only 7.1 percent of scientists (a high proportion of whom are PhDs), they published more than three-quarters of all scientific articles.
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—Donald King


How quickly will OA become the norm?

Two different projections for the growth of gold open-access articles published in scientific journals are shown below. The yellow line represents a projected growth of 30 percent per year for both ISI and non-ISI journals, as calculated by M. Lassko et al. (PLoS ONE, 6:e20961, 2011), and reaches 100 percent gold OA in 2022. The orange curve, based on a projection of 20 percent growth in gold-OA articles calculated by scientific publisher Springer, predicts 100 percent gold OA articles in ISI journals by 2029. (Graph reprinted from R. Poynder, “Open Access by Numbers,” Open and Shut, June 19, 2011.)




Flavors of Open Access

Open-access science journals are relatively new to the publishing landscape. The modern open-access movement started in 1991 with the establishment of arXiv.org, the first free scientific online archive. Researchers self-archive their papers on the site, which now contains more than 760,000 “e-prints” from a variety of physics subfields, as well as mathematics and computer science. In 1994, the National Academies Press made full-text versions of their books freely available on the Web, and in 1997 the US National Library of Medicine made Medline, a comprehensive index of biomedical research literature, freely accessible via PubMed. The 2000s saw the birth of several open-access science publishers, such as the for-profit BioMed Central, which publishes more than 200 titles in an array of disciplines, and the nonprofit Public Library of Science (PLoS), which publishes seven journals. As the modern open-access movement has gathered steam, a few different models for making research findings accessible to the public have evolved, with perhaps more on the horizon.



Hybrid Open Access
• Many traditional subscription-based science publishers have waded into the open-access realm by making some of the papers they publish freely accessible to the public, giving authors the choice to pay a publication fee to make their articles open access.
• Examples of hybrid-OA publishers include:

  1. Royal Society

  2. Wiley-Blackwell

  3. Springer

  4. Nature Publishing Group

  5. Elsevier

Green Open Access
• Green OA is the original form of open-access publishing in the modern era.
• Authors publish in a journal of their choosing and then (sometimes after an embargo period) self-archive manuscripts in databases that may be accessible by the public or by colleagues at their institution or beyond.
• Fees associated with green-OA publishing are typically minimal, as access to information is granted via self-archiving.
• Immediate self-archiving and public access is typically encouraged by publishers who champion green OA.
• Papers deposited in green-OA repositories are not necessarily peer-reviewed. Preprints of articles not yet accepted for publication may be self-archived, as well as theses and dissertations, course materials, reports on work in progress, and other documents.
• Examples of green-OA repositories include:


  1. arXiv.org

  2. DASH (at Harvard University)

  3. PubMed

Gold Open Access
• Gold OA refers to entire journals that publish manuscripts that will be made freely accessible to the public.
• Authors typically pay a fee to publish their work in gold-OA journals. (The 2011–2012 fee to publish an article in PLoS Biology is $2,900.)
• Gold-OA publishers typically make their manuscripts immediately accessible to the public.
• Articles appearing in gold-OA journals are typically peer-reviewed.
• Examples of gold-OA journals include:



  1. PLoS ONE

  2. PeerJ (slated to commence publication at the end of this year)

  3. BMC Biology

  4. eLife (slated to commence publication later this year)

Delayed Open Access
• Delayed OA refers to a policy at some subscription-based journals to allow authors to self-archive published papers after a predetermined embargo period.
• This form of OA is often derided by OA advocates, as it does not allow for immediate public access to information.
• Examples of delayed-OA journals include:



  1. Molecular Biology of the Cell (one-month embargo)

  2. Journal of the Physical Society of Japan (15-year embargo)

—Bob GrantThe Scientist



QUESTION 7: What will the scholarly publishing landscape look like in 10 years?

Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: In 10 years, we believe that there will be much more open access, and perhaps many fewer traditional journals. We will also see the emergence of entirely new services built on top of the literature to allow researchers to navigate and use the literature more effectively. Journal articles might also be complemented by new channels for the communication of new results and ideas, and these new channels could be included in the assessment of research and researchers.



Carol Tenopir: There will continue to be a mix of open-access (author-pays or subsidized) and subscription-based journals for the next 10 years, with a gradual switch to open-access models. Data sets behind scientific research will also become increasingly available, as systems of deposit and citation become commonplace. Print-on-paper issues will be almost totally phased out.

John Vaughn: I don’t know what the scholarly publishing landscape will look like in 10 years, but that landscape will most effectively accommodate the needs of the scholarly community if it is shaped by voluntary, good-faith collaborations by all stakeholders working toward a shared goal of providing the broadest, most effective—and most cost-effective—access to the results of authoritative research and scholarship. Many such collaborative projects are underway, which leaves me optimistic about scholarly publishing’s future landscape.

Brian Scanlan: I believe over the next 10 years we will see an increase in the hybrid subscription-based/author-pays model. Because of publishers’ innovative and ongoing investments in electronic publishing, we are enabling greater access to research at ever-decreasing costs. What will interfere with this trend are unfunded, one-size-fits-all governmental mandates. What will support this trend is continuing collaboration between funding agencies, scientists, publishers, libraries, and other stakeholders.


Michael Eisen: Howard Hughes Investigator and Associate Professor of Genetics, Genomics, and Development, University of California, Berkeley


Randy Schekman and Mark Patterson: Editor-in-Chief and Managing Executive Editor of forthcoming open-access journal eLife

Patrick Taylor: Bioethicist and Assistant Clinical Professor of Pediatrics, Children’s Hospital Boston and Harvard Medical School

Alicia Wise: Director of Universal Access, Elsevier

Stuart Taylor: Commercial Director, The Royal Society

John Vaughn: Executive Vice President, Association of American Universities

Brian Scanlan: President, Thieme Publishers

Martin Frank: Executive Director, American Physiological Society

Susan King: Senior Vice President, American Chemical Society Journals
Publishing Group

Carol Tenopir: Chancellor’s Professor at the School of Information Sciences, University of Tennessee, Knoxville; Director of Research for the College of Communication and Information; Director of the Center for Information and Communication Studies

Donald King: Adjunct Professor, University of Tennessee; Honorary University Professor, Bryant University, Rhode Island

Contributors to this article were not privy to each other’s responses.

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Avatar of: Stewart_Lyman


Posts: 2

August 1, 2012

One of the biggest problems facing researchers is a lack of affordable access to the scientific literature. This problem is especially acute for those who work in the biotechnology industry, and from whom we are counting on the breakthrough medicines of tomorrow. I have proposed a new model for searching, purchasing, and downloading scientific articles. The model, iPubSci, melds the best features of PubMed with an iTunes like-interface. If implemented this model would allow for the purchase of articles at an extremely affordable rate. Readers can learn more about this new approach and read several articles I have written about this issue on the website http://www.ipubsci.com/

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Stevan Harnad

Posts: 1457

August 1, 2012

Aside from his penchant for pre-emptive Green, Mike Eisen's points are virtually all spot on.

To place the Gold Growth graphs into context, see "Finch Fiasco in Figures": http://openaccess.eprints.org/...

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Thomas D Dial

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August 1, 2012

As a US taxpayer, I offer the following opinion:
1. Published reports and raw data related to research funded by the U. S. government or any subordinate government should be in the public domain.  It is work for hire, and the taxpayers, through their elected legislators and executives, hired it done.  This will maximize the public benefit for public expenditures.
2. All patents issued in the course of work funded to any degree by the U. S. government or its subordinate governments should, likewise, be treated as the results of work for hire, be assigned to the funding entity, and  be freely usable by any citizen.

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Posts: 52

August 1, 2012

To Brian Scanlon: I've reviewed many papers over the years.  Nobody has given me a penny for this work.  Your statement below needs some work to justify its validity to the thousands of unpaid reviewers whose free work allows both scientific advancement and monetary advantage to non-scientific ends.

"Subscription fees pay for our work to validate an author’s contribution,
as well as to judge its significance, clarity, and originality."

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Posts: 1

August 1, 2012

The proliferation of sources is actually making things more complicated, as I just wrote about in scidev. 

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Ed Rybicki

Posts: 82

August 1, 2012

"Michael Eisen:  Every paper would be freely and openly available from the moment of publication.
No journals. Scientists effectively blogging about their research whenever they want to share it, producing rich works that combine narratives, methods, ideas, and conclusions, along with embedded data, figures, and other essential information."
Like!  If we were to design a system from scratch that would allow maximum dissemination of data, ideas and speculations - and was rich on discovery and light on hypotheses [my preference], it would be this.  As long as there is enough storage space in the cloud, there is enough space for this kind of publishing.  Given that the average OA article costs US$1000 or more - which is a SUBSTANTIAL proportion of a developing country science grant, BTW - the present model is unsustainable.
My son is presently developing something he wants to sell to Google, incidentally, which would allow the kinds of publishing that Cameron Neylon espouses, which is a linked set of files constituting a "publication' - which could be a text file, linked to pictures, movies, sound files and web pages.
Can't come soon enough for me.

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August 1, 2012

Undoubtedly, the best confirmation of ones' research is to publish it to ones' peers, and to have it accepted.
Why then, should such an action cost researcher all IP rights to that research - simply because the government has given all IP rights to the patent attorney industry to exploit as it best sees fit?

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George Garrity

Posts: 2

August 1, 2012

The only IP right that might be transferred when publishing a paper in a journal in which copyright is transferred is ownership of the content, in fixed format, possibly with some derivative rights to republish in different forms. Any rights you have to a patentable invention arising from the work (should there actually be an invention) have nothing to do with the publication process and are not transferred to the publisher.
Patent rights are typically governed by an employment contract or the terms set by the source of funding. So long as patent rights are preserved by filing a patent application prior to public disclosure in any form (e.g., publications, posters, lectures, etc.), patent rights of the assignee are neither transferred nor forfeited by disclosure. In fact, most research driven companies encourage publication of patented inventions, but not until their interests have been protected.

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August 2, 2012

George, I am well aware of what the law is. What I am asking is what is correct? 

Also, I am not talking about transfer of IP rights, nor about ownership.

 I am talking about establishment of those rights. Why should the question for researchers be 'publish OR patent?' Why should the situation not be 'publish IS patent'?

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August 2, 2012

Find scientific information in Open Access using : http://www.freefullpdf.com

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August 3, 2012

review is not perfect but it remains the mechanism of choice for quality
control in the sciences. EMBO has been working for some time to introduce
changes and strengthen the process for its four scientific journals (see Nature 468, 29-31, 2010 Transparency showcases strength of
peer review. http://tinyurl.com/cgzrjf6).


Efforts to improve the transparency and
quality of the process can make a difference. We invite the scientific and
publishing community to take a look at some of the improvements (http://www.nature.com/emboj/ab... and strongly encourage
discussion on experiences and future directions. Authors are also being encouraged
to archive the unprocessed source data underlying graphs and images in figures
to improve transparency and data reuse.  In
this way, the research paper becomes a research tool that can be readily
accessed, reproduced and reused.



Public Relations & Communications, EMBO

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August 4, 2012


review is not perfect but it remains the mechanism of choice for quality
control in the sciences. EMBO has been working for some time to introduce
changes and strengthen the process for its four scientific journals (see Nature 468, 29-31, 2010 Transparency showcases strength of
peer review. http://tinyurl.com/cgzrjf6).


Efforts to improve the transparency and
quality of the process can make a difference. We invite the scientific and
publishing community to take a look at some of the improvements (http://www.nature.com/emboj/ab... and strongly encourage
discussion on experiences and future directions. Authors are also being encouraged
to archive the unprocessed source data underlying graphs and images in figures
to improve transparency and data reuse.  In
this way, the research paper becomes a research tool that can be readily
accessed, reproduced and reused.



Public Relations & Communications, EMBO

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David Hill

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August 9, 2012

Michael Eisen is closer to the reality here.  Technology has changed, even universities will have to change in the way they deal with knowledge and information.  It is the authors of scientific publications that will show us the way ultimately, and they are gradually realizing what kind of chumps they have been.

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Maryann Martone

Posts: 1457

August 14, 2012

I agree. Try explaining the current mode of scientific publishing to an outsider. No one can believe that scientists are that stupid. Everyone I talk to just assumed that we were paid for our work or for our time. The final insult is that we have to buy it back from the publishers.

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Maryann Martone

Posts: 1457

August 16, 2012

"Alicia Wise:
If I could change one thing overnight it would be to create a place
where all stakeholders—authors, funders, librarians, publishers,
researchers, universities—would come together to proactively work on
practical solutions to the big issues, such as how to deliver universal
access to quality scientific publications, and all the little

FORCE11 (http://force11.org) was created for precisely this purpose. Force11 (the Future of Research Communications and e-Scholarship) is a
virtual community working to transform scholarly communications toward
improved knowledge creation and sharing. It is a place to bring together exactly the stakeholder groups that Ms. Wise identifies.

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Posts: 74

August 28, 2012

Michael is out of his mind. There needs to be a formal audit trail, and there must be some degree of gatekeeping. That establishes at least some basis for deciding where to look. Without that, how can anybody know if an article is worth caring about?

Come, come, Mr. Eisen. You are a young'un. but dear me, those rose-colored glasses? Have you actually looked around the internet? From 9-11 conspiracy nitwits and Rush Limbaugh to those who are sure they know who shot JFK and the ramblings of various and sundry gurus - oh, yes! It is all true! I saw it on the internet!

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Paul Vincelli

Posts: 1

August 30, 2012

As a publishing scientist and a communicator of science to the public, I strongly defend peer review. We all know it is imperfect. However, take the example of human-influenced climate change--the very high degree of scientific consensus on this topic, as reflected in peer-reviewed journals, provides us the scientific authority to talk about this topic to the public. Imagine a world where all the junk blog postings that deny climate change, with their flawed veneer of scientific argument, were perceived publicly to be on an equal footing with peer-reviewed papers in major journals. A world where there is no "go-to" source of credible science? I don't want to go there.

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Robert Dingwall

Posts: 1

August 31, 2012

How typical that not one of your commentators is addressing the issue from the perspective of the social sciences or humanities, although we all face being bounced into OA because of some naive enthusiasms, primarily in the biomedical sciences. This is a complex issue across the field of scholarship where one size does not fit all. No-one here has, for example, considered authors' intellectual property rights, both economic and moral, which have identifiable value for some scholars in the humanities and social sciences. In some lights, OA is content piracy comparable to the online theft of IPR in music or movies. There are, moreover, good arguments from organizational studies for anticipating that OA is actually more likely to reduce than to enhance innovation. The social sciences know quite a lot about the social conditions that facilitate knowledge transfer and innovation but the whole OA debate is fairly indifferent to rigorous evidence as a basis for policy simply because biomedical science didn't invent it and taking it seriously would invert established scholarly hierarchies of power and prestige.

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