Magic mint for mania


William Calezon's group purifies salvinorin A from bags of dried Salvia divinorum bought off the Internet.

For Karen Schrock, it started with a big hit off a smoking pipe filled with Salvia divinorum and a crash to the kitchen floor. From there she was off to an alien world of silhouetted figures who lived by a complex social structure. Any sense that there had ever been an Earth, a hallucinogenic drug, or a Karen Schrock disappeared. "I had no memory that this was not the real world, no sense that I was on a trip," recalls Schrock, now 26 and a science magazine editor. The September 2006 experience for her was intensely spiritual and profound. "I remember feeling at the time it was a life-changing experience because I had never had a drug trip before."

While Salvia might have flown Schrock to an alternate reality, scientists say the active ingredient, salvinorin A, holds promise for guiding drug discovery for mood disorders. Salvia's use originated with Mexican shamans who sought it out for spiritual journeys, but in recent years American youth have been buying the relative of the mint off the Internet and several states have passed legislation to control or ban its distribution.

In William Carlezon's laboratory at McLean Hospital in Belmont, Mass., half a dozen rats inside a stack of small white boxes are undergoing experiments. In the dark chambers, the rats are presented with a flash of light. If the animal pokes its nose through the appropriate hole, a sugar pellet pops out of a chute at the other end of the cage. Usually, rats readily perform the task to get their reward.

Rats that have been given salvinorin A, however, act as if they don't care. "Trials will go by without them responding," says Carlezon, who has done experiments to show that the rats haven't lost their appetites or ability to perform the task. He hypothesizes that they've lost their motivation, and the sugar pellets are no longer worth the work to get them. "The food is less rewarding to them," Carlezon says.

The effect is likely due to salvinorin A sending the animals into a short-term depressed-like state. Salvinorin A binds to Κ-opioid receptors in the brain, which are known to be involved in mood states. Carlezon has shown that activating these receptors can induce a depressed-like state in animals, and blocking the receptors acts like an antidepressant (W.A. Carlezon Jr. et al., J Pharmacol Exp Ther, 316:440-7, 2006). The idea, says McLean Hospital's Bruce Cohen, is that if people who are manic are at the opposite end of the mood spectrum from people with depression, pushing them closer to depression with salvinorin A might deliver them to a healthy medium.

That's the theory, but in practice, there are serious limitations. For one, k agonists act rapidly. For Schrock, the effect was so fast, she doesn't remember falling down after she inhaled Salvia. And though she felt like she existed in another world for an eternity, her trip lasted only five minutes. For people who have a mood disorder, Cohen says "it's entirely possible if you get something that acts rapidly on mood, it might drive people beyond their set point." As a result, "we're not convinced this will directly lead to therapeutic agents," Cohen says, "but rather to what regulates mood [so that we can] design better therapeutics."

Salvinorin A is also extraordinarily potent, says Bryan Roth, a pharmacology professor at the University of North Carolina and director of the National Institute of Mental Health's psychoactive drug-screening program. "It's the most potent naturally-occurring hallucinogen," Roth says. Inducing hallucinations in people who are manic, he notes, "would not be a good outcome."

Still, Roth says that if the hallucinogenic properties of salvinorin A can be dissociated from the benefits of the compound, it would be worth pursuing as a treatment for mood disorders, though he says he does not recommend people try it recreationally. Researchers have proposed other applications for salvinorin A, such as a pain reliever or a treatment for addiction.

The drug might also highlight neural substrates of consciousness, Roth says, and "could give us a window into what parts of the brain are active when we're perceiving reality." Or, perhaps, unreality.



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Salvinorin A research
by Bill Carlezon

[Comment posted 2007-07-06 10:04:59]
I was intrigued by the thoughtful comments from people who have used salvinorin A. The comments are perfectly reasonable, and very helpful to those of us interested in the drug. One thing that may not be clear is that the studies that Kerry described in her article were designed to ask the question of what stimulation of kappa receptors does to behavior, rather than to study salvinorin A or its after-effects. We use salvinorin A as a tool for this work because Bryan Roth's research shows that it stimulates kappa receptors very selectively, while barely affecting other receptors. Some of the important questions that the readers would like to see addressed would require alternative experimental designs.

In addition, it might be worth pointing out that feeling "scared and confused" could be interpreted as reflecting a sign of depression called "dysphoria". Dysphoria is not often the first symptom that comes to mind when we think about depression, but it is usually readily apparent in people with depressive disorders.



Bad trip
by Carla Dimitriou

[Comment posted 2007-06-11 18:05:06]
I have an 18 yr old son who, like many of his pals, purchased some Salvia at the local head shop. After taking two hits on a pipe he was launched into a bad trip that took about 8 weeks to finally subside. He is ADHD but is not medicated for this. Post Salvia, he suffered from severe depression and ongoing hallucinations. None of his friends had this experience. During that time, we tried without success to find a health care professional to provide relief but could not find anyone, neither allopath or naturopath, who had any knowledge of the drug.

I understand that salvia is touted to have short-lived side effects but my kid proved to be the exception to the rule. Other than his hyper active behavior, he has not shown any predisposition to mood disorders, schizophrenic or psychotic tendencies. He was clearly traumatized and the ongoing hallucinatory episodes made him fearful of losing his mind. His complaint was that he was unable to get back into his body.

I would be interested to know if any other salvia users have had this experience.



Oops,I meant Evan!!
by Tom

[Comment posted 2007-06-10 00:29:42]
8-)



Regards to Ethan..
by Tom

[Comment posted 2007-06-09 15:19:44]
I totally agree with you. These people call themselves scientists? How can you assume what a rat thinks? I understand it's a hypothesis,although it is wrong! I,like you,have not become depressed from salvia. Just the opposite. I have been diagnosed with depression,with suicidal tendencies and salvia has been quite the antidepressant for me. When dealing with animals in studies maybe they should consult with Dr. Dolittle first.



As far as its medicinal use...
by Mike

[Comment posted 2007-06-09 11:17:01]
I think it is important to keep in mind the methods one might use to partake of salvia(or specifically salvinorin A). Smoking is not the only method. Sublingual absorbtion of the active chemical(salvinorin A)gives a signifigantly different experience than if someone were to smoke the plant. Here are some of the main differences:

1: It does not act nearly as fast as when smoking. So there is alot less risk of someone who might be using it medicinally-as far as falling,tripping over things, etc. Users report anywhere from 5-30 minutes for it to take affect. From personal experience it takes about 15 minutes.
2. The experience is drastically altered when taking it sublingually. It is not overwhelming,and often takes a concentrated effort to have a fully immersive experience this way(lights off, meditating,etc). 3. Sublingual affects generally last less than 2 hours from beginning to baseline. In theory this duration might be very good for people to use in conjuction with therapy. So I think it has the potential to be very therapuetic.
4.The amount of actual salvinorin A used to obtain an experience is multiplied drastically over smoking it. The same amount that had Karen Schrock experiencing another universe of sorts, would most likely give minimal results sublingually.
5. To add to the last point, in tinctures some people have made available or made at home of salvia, some of them tend to be extremely pure. I believe upwards of 95%-98% is very possible . However it seems in tinctures with the purest salvinorin A dissolved in alchohol,or even taken in crystal form without diluting it. It has had very little to no halucinatory affect, and any effects that have been felt are often from much larger amounts of active chemical than normal sublingual use(with plant material or tinctures that still have plenty of waxes and cloryphyl). So it is very reasonable to believe a workable dose could be found in a manner unintrusive to someones daily life.(This is a hint to Roth).

Another thing that is interesting about salvinorin A is that it is not active(that is to say that users are aware of) when swallowed. I would like to see if the chemical still has consiously unnoticable affects when taken that way. If it does, it has even more potential. I am currently unaware of any study that might have been done on that and doubt there has been though.

I think I am trying to make a point that its potency is very dependent of the method of use. I imagine intravenous use in rats would lead to affects much the same as smoking. In which case,I think the interpretation of how the rats refused to partake of the sugar pellets may have been misinterpreted as far as what it might mean in human subjects(or at least implied in the article). I am not sure if it was the after affects that were measured or not, but would really be interested to find out . I myself have experimented with salvia quite a bit and I think a test that tells whether or not a rat is hungry while the chemical is actively in its system is absurd, and it should be delayed in order to measure the after affects which would tell us what lingering and long term affect it has on the psyche as oppose to an immediate five minutes-half hour.

I have tried salvia both sublingually and by smoking it, so I am more than fairly educated and experienced as to how this plants affects are truly dependent on such factors, and would love to see more results interpreted with method of use in mind for accuracy in reporting its affects. Especially when considering it for use in mood disorders such as when a bi-polar person might be in a manic state.




There is a slight problem...
by Evan

[Comment posted 2007-06-09 06:59:22]
I noticed a slight problem with testing the effects of Salvinorin A on rats and then assuming that the effects translate to humans directly. Or rather, I believe that the signs the rats gave were misinterpreted. I don't think that the Salvinorin A put the rats in a depressed state, making them lack the motivation necessary to get to the sugar. I think it was more the fact that they were probably in an altered or completely different reality in which sugar was not necessary or didn't exist. I am speaking from personal experience. I have experienced the effects of Salvia Divinorum on several occasions, and not once have I become depressed from it. I either feel elated (mild dose) or a bit scared and confused (high dose). Never depressed. So basically, I would never give a manic-depressive person a dose of Salvia when he was on the manic side. Maybe (and this is a big maybe) when he was on the depressed side, and even then only a small dose. I've noticed that the mood-elevating effects of salvia can actually last for days after ingestion if I pay attention to them. Anyway, that's just my anecdotal two cents.

Evan