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Doctor double dip
Posted by Bob Grant [Entry posted at 7th March 2008 03:35 PM GMT]
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Return to Top comment: It is about time but put knowledge not fear into people by Riaz Haque [Comment posted 2008-03-08 03:18:55] No food we eat is sterile. Organisms that enter our body need to overcome our defenses and must multiply to a large number before producing disease. We must dispel the myth that you touch a bug and you are dead. Instead teach how we can live with germs (we just can't run away from them) via simple means of proper hygiene. Washing hands, brushing teeth, especially before going to bed, and blowing your nose are the three basic steps for staying healthy amidst germs.
Teach microbiology from that stand point, like we used to do during the fifties which produced health conscious people who helped overcome polio, tuberculosis, diphtheria and small pox, just to mention a few. Now when new diseases are emerging and the old ones resurging, teaching microbiology must once again be made an essential general knowledge course for all students, not just biology or science majors. The unfortunate part, however, now is that with emphasis on biotech type research not even the biology and science majors are getting the kind of in depth hands on basic microbiology they need. Somehow, we have forgotten that it was microbiology learned during 1820 and 1920 which gave us our high standard of living and the economic prosperity we experienced till mid sixties where the entire population not just the selected few benefited. It was also this knowledge of basic microbiology which gave us our biotechnology and genetic engineering and a host of Nobel Laureates who were bacteriologist to begin with. We must also not forget that microbiology is one of those subjects which spark interest in science and phasing it out as we are now doing in most of our schools and colleges is not helping produce versatile scientists. In fact students are running away from science. Knowledge and skill based, not fear based microbiology, can reverse that trend and once again give us knowledgeable citizenry who not only can look after their own well being but can also contribute to the betterment of the society. Being fully aware of the fear factor that has crept into the teaching of microbiology, I am now designing hands on, lab based courses which use killed and biosafety level one organisms to teach all of the essential concepts and skills of microbiology. Students love such courses and run towards, not away from science. Return to Top comment: sharing 1 soda with 2 straws by Brian Lee [Comment posted 2008-03-07 22:25:13] There's the old romantic notion of sharing a soda with 2 straws. How much oral bacteria contaminates the soda, esp. if someone decides to blow bubbles? Return to Top comment: roll towels and toilet paper by Brian Lee [Comment posted 2008-03-07 22:22:08] Some local health codes require toilet paper and roll paper towels to dispense from the top/front of the roll so that a person only touches the sheets that will be used. It would be interesting to see if there is a bacterial count difference on t.p. and paper towels where the roll is installed backwards. Return to Top comment: and another thing... by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-07 15:34:08] Not to pile on the previous comments on bacterial pathogens vs. non-pathogens, but the "Hygiene Theory" (https://www.aaaai.org/patients/advocate/2004/winter/hygiene.stm) poses that our obsession with cleanliness may in fact lead to inappropriate responses by our immune systems, leading in turn to allergies. If it is substantiated, we may in fact want to keep our food on the floor longer than five seconds! Return to Top comment: Double-dunked bet by DENNIS MANOS [Comment posted 2008-03-07 15:14:58] I will bet a dollar to a double-dunked doughnut, though I am not sure that is a lopsided bet anymore, that unless Dr. Dawson uses a high velocity wind tunnel, and thereby scours away the surface of the food itself, he will not blow off a significant fraction of bacteria that attach to a porous surface. Return to Top comment: Blowing introduces bacteria? by Ellen Hunt [Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:47:51] While I don't think this idea that you can blow off bacteria will be effective it is incorrect to simply count introduced bacteria. Let's start with the fact that if you are blowing on your food and get increased bacteria on your food, all the bacteria came from your mouth in the first place.
Simply put, organism counts don't matter. What matters is counts by type/clade. Most bacteria are harmless or beneficial most of the time. What is mostly of concern when you drop food on the floor is things like oocysts and worm eggs. Aside from that, eating a bit of dirt is unlikely to harm anyone, and parasites usually cause low level effects, barely disease. So, while Dr. Double-Dip has found a great way to engage kids in science, his findings are not important, as they don't identify risk. In fact, looking at the work of Ewald, under most circumstances we are protected from harm by getting inoculated with a healthy mix of bacteria. When we get rid of them, for instance with antibiotics, serious problems can occur. I think it is incumbent on Dr. Double-Dip to make these facts clear when talking to the media. Return to Top comment: Mythbusters by Matthew Costa [Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:47:28] I have heard of this experiment being done before, though not by a scientist. The TV show Mythbusters did an episode about the 5 second rule, and came to the same conclusions. It would be interesting to see who performed the experiment first, and how well the Mythbusters did at controlling their experiment. I just thought that they should be given a nod for also having the same idea about testing myths. Return to Top comment: Five Second Rule by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:42:10] The analysis of the five-second rule described above shows why "rigorous science" often fails in answering real-world questions. The question was not "is the food crawling with all sorts of bacteria," the question was "is it safe to eat." The logic jump from food crawling with bacteria to food that is unsafe to eat is based on a myth often perpetuated - that all bacteria are unsafe.
If you really want to approach the five-second rule in a scientific way you need to look at the change in type and amount of bacteria on the food after dropping it. My (untested and unproven) theory is that WHERE you drop it is more important than HOW LONG it was in contact. If dropped in the same kitchen where the food was prepared chances are the same bacteria are already on the food, albeit in smaller amounts. Comment on this blog |