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Doctor double dip
Posted by Bob Grant
[Entry posted at 7th March 2008 03:35 PM GMT]

Editorial administrator Margaret Guthrie reports

Who hasn't invoked the five second rule? After all, food that falls to the kitchen floor is still safe to eat, if you pick it up fast enough. Isn't it?

Paul Dawson, of Clemson University's food science program, roots out the science behind such questions and in doing so has found a way to engage undergraduate students, teach them the rigors of scientific investigation, and even encourage some to seek advanced degrees in the sciences. His formula is simple: Test the logic - or lack thereof - behind pop culture myths or stories. He started with the five second rule: if you drop a piece of food on the floor then pick it up in less than five seconds, it's safe to eat. Dawson's study set the popular wisdom on its ear. No matter how quickly the dropped morsel is retrieved, it's crawling with all kinds of bacteria.

After debunking the five second rule, Dawson and his students turned their sights on a popular Seinfeld episode wherein George Costanza double dips a chip, is caught at it, and an argument ensues about proper dipping etiquette. "I honestly didn't expect to find that much bacteria from the introduction of a single chip," Dawson says. Dawson designed an experiment where students simulated Costanza's double dipping by dunking a snack cracker into sterile water several times either with or without biting from the cracker between dips.

What Dawson and his students discovered - that double dipping increases the number of bacteria in a shared bowl by about three times - surprised everyone, so much so that The New York Times covered the story. Dawson's dean warned him: "Clear your calendar." More press coverage followed, and Dawson plans to capitalize on the attention by testing other popular myths. "I now have a whole list of things to investigate."

The next myth up for testing is related to the five second myth: "There are people who think that if you pick the food up off the floor and blow on it, you'll blow off any harmful bacteria," Dawson says. "To the contrary, what you're doing is introducing more bacteria and we're going to prove that." He laughs and continues, "We might take the food to the wind tunnel here and see just how much wind it takes to remove harmful bacteria."

After that, Dawson and his students will move on to the Chinese custom of using chopsticks to remove food from communal bowls to see how much bacteria is introduced from each dip of the chopsticks. Dawson's doctor has even suggested investigating the bacterial count in Communion wine. "I'm a little hesitant as that could be a sensitive area," Dawson admits, but with suggestions still coming in, he's not worried about running out of myths to investigate any time soon.

"It's a great way to get the students interested at the same time they learn the steps of scientific investigation. It teaches them how to handle bacteria, how to handle pipettes and other lab equipment," Dawson says.

Both Brad Ballieu and Judith Trevino started their scientific careers by participating in Dawson's double dipping study and are now working on Master's degrees in food science. Ballieu is working with a machine that sprays a coating onto food as a way of eliminating harmful bacteria. "I am working with non-pathogenic strains of E. coli and other bacteria; there are others working on controlling the virulent strain of E. coli."

Trevino is working with packaging sauces and cream soups in cookable pouches. Her lab is trying to increase the palatability of pouched foods by decreasing cooking time, while insuring safety. She did an internship at Campbell Soup and would like to return there when she graduates. Both want to work before going on to PhDs. And both give Dawson high marks as teacher and advisor. "He's really well-organized, which I like," Trevino says. "He's also goal oriented which is important when there are so many ideas out there."

Dawson's latest goal, encouraged by contact with literary agents, is to write a book about creating undergraduate investigative teams who search for the scientific truth behind myths such as the five second rule and George Costanza's misadventures in double dipping.

Tell us what popular myths or accepted cultural practices you think are due for rigorous scientific testing ala Dawson. Post your suggestion as a comment on this blog.

 

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It is about time but put knowledge not fear into people
by Riaz Haque

[Comment posted 2008-03-08 03:18:55]

No food we eat is sterile. Organisms that enter our body need to overcome our defenses and must multiply to a large number before producing disease. We must dispel the myth that you touch a bug and you are dead. Instead teach how we can live with germs (we just can't run away from them) via simple means of proper hygiene. Washing hands, brushing teeth, especially before going to bed, and blowing your nose are the three basic steps for staying healthy amidst germs.

Teach microbiology from that stand point, like we used to do during the fifties which produced health conscious people who helped overcome polio, tuberculosis, diphtheria and small pox, just to mention a few. Now when new diseases are emerging and the old ones resurging, teaching microbiology must once again be made an essential general knowledge course for all students, not just biology or science majors. The unfortunate part, however, now is that with emphasis on biotech type research not even the biology and science majors are getting the kind of in depth hands on basic microbiology they need.

Somehow, we have forgotten that it was microbiology learned during 1820 and 1920 which gave us our high standard of living and the economic prosperity we experienced till mid sixties where the entire population not just the selected few benefited.

It was also this knowledge of basic microbiology which gave us our biotechnology and genetic engineering and a host of Nobel Laureates who were bacteriologist to begin with.

We must also not forget that microbiology is one of those subjects which spark interest in science and phasing it out as we are now doing in most of our schools and colleges is not helping produce versatile scientists. In fact students are running away from science. Knowledge and skill based, not fear based microbiology, can reverse that trend and once again give us knowledgeable citizenry who not only can look after their own well being but can also contribute to the betterment of the society.

Being fully aware of the fear factor that has crept into the teaching of microbiology, I am now designing hands on, lab based courses which use killed and biosafety level one organisms to teach all of the essential concepts and skills of microbiology. Students love such courses and run towards, not away from science.








sharing 1 soda with 2 straws
by Brian Lee

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 22:25:13]

There's the old romantic notion of sharing a soda with 2 straws. How much oral bacteria contaminates the soda, esp. if someone decides to blow bubbles?





roll towels and toilet paper
by Brian Lee

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 22:22:08]

Some local health codes require toilet paper and roll paper towels to dispense from the top/front of the roll so that a person only touches the sheets that will be used. It would be interesting to see if there is a bacterial count difference on t.p. and paper towels where the roll is installed backwards.





and another thing...
by anonymous poster

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 15:34:08]

Not to pile on the previous comments on bacterial pathogens vs. non-pathogens, but the "Hygiene Theory" (https://www.aaaai.org/patients/advocate/2004/winter/hygiene.stm) poses that our obsession with cleanliness may in fact lead to inappropriate responses by our immune systems, leading in turn to allergies. If it is substantiated, we may in fact want to keep our food on the floor longer than five seconds!





Double-dunked bet
by DENNIS MANOS

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 15:14:58]

I will bet a dollar to a double-dunked doughnut, though I am not sure that is a lopsided bet anymore, that unless Dr. Dawson uses a high velocity wind tunnel, and thereby scours away the surface of the food itself, he will not blow off a significant fraction of bacteria that attach to a porous surface.





Blowing introduces bacteria?
by Ellen Hunt

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:47:51]

While I don't think this idea that you can blow off bacteria will be effective it is incorrect to simply count introduced bacteria. Let's start with the fact that if you are blowing on your food and get increased bacteria on your food, all the bacteria came from your mouth in the first place.

Simply put, organism counts don't matter. What matters is counts by type/clade. Most bacteria are harmless or beneficial most of the time. What is mostly of concern when you drop food on the floor is things like oocysts and worm eggs. Aside from that, eating a bit of dirt is unlikely to harm anyone, and parasites usually cause low level effects, barely disease.

So, while Dr. Double-Dip has found a great way to engage kids in science, his findings are not important, as they don't identify risk. In fact, looking at the work of Ewald, under most circumstances we are protected from harm by getting inoculated with a healthy mix of bacteria. When we get rid of them, for instance with antibiotics, serious problems can occur.

I think it is incumbent on Dr. Double-Dip to make these facts clear when talking to the media.





Mythbusters
by Matthew Costa

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:47:28]

I have heard of this experiment being done before, though not by a scientist. The TV show Mythbusters did an episode about the 5 second rule, and came to the same conclusions. It would be interesting to see who performed the experiment first, and how well the Mythbusters did at controlling their experiment. I just thought that they should be given a nod for also having the same idea about testing myths.





Five Second Rule
by anonymous poster

[Comment posted 2008-03-07 12:42:10]

The analysis of the five-second rule described above shows why "rigorous science" often fails in answering real-world questions. The question was not "is the food crawling with all sorts of bacteria," the question was "is it safe to eat." The logic jump from food crawling with bacteria to food that is unsafe to eat is based on a myth often perpetuated - that all bacteria are unsafe.

If you really want to approach the five-second rule in a scientific way you need to look at the change in type and amount of bacteria on the food after dropping it. My (untested and unproven) theory is that WHERE you drop it is more important than HOW LONG it was in contact. If dropped in the same kitchen where the food was prepared chances are the same bacteria are already on the food, albeit in smaller amounts.





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