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Rumblings over Science retractions
Posted by Andrea Gawrylewski [Entry posted at 26th March 2008 09:55 PM GMT]
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Return to Top comment: Problem is to weed these out... by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-09-11 12:05:12] I have an actual fresh example where I have discovered fraud in a Science paper from 2001 (I have the real McCoy but they have faked it). But that won't get me into Science (over 6 months after the original paper) but rather some obscure small journal that my tenure committe will sneeze at and take it negative that I put ATP molecules into that project instead of some "high-impact" work.
OK, that is my problem. But, when it is published in this obscure journal people will still refer to the Science paper (not all of it is wrong, most data is OK so I don't think there will be a retraction, especially not after such a long time). So the fraud will not be weeded out, but stay there forever. Return to Top comment: I did not attemp to compare! by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-04-07 21:09:28] I apologize if my comment meant EU scientist is more ethical than US counterparts. I can not afford for such statement since I know nothing about EU scientists. However, I did mean a fact that, it was the EU scientists who overturned the finding [by US scientists].
For the Hwang's problem, as far as I understand, it was a former fellow of Hwang's Lab who brought the problem into public attention [through MBC channel] which then led to the retraction request. I believe The Scientist has a good series of articles on this issue. Return to Top comment: EU vs. US; cultural bias? by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-29 23:14:11] The previous post implies that there is a bias amongst US scientists to cover up each others' errors and/or falsifications.
The author of this post gives no evidence of this bias, except some vague and unintelligible reference to some unknown finding by US scientists that was overturned by EU scientists. I personally have found no evidence of a bias in US researchers covering up for one another. Might I remind this anonymous poster that John Richard (an American scientist) discovered and corrected an egregious error of Homme Hellinga (a scientist at a US institution, but trained in Europe.) Might I also remind the anonymous poster that it was an American scientist (Gerald Schatten) who was one of the first to allege that the data was fabricated in the infamous Hwang Woo-Suk stem cell case. If you have evidence of a real cultural bias, state it clearly and cite real evidence. Otherwise, please stop these childish assertions that US scientists are somehow less ethical than their EU counterparts. Return to Top comment: Polite or ignorance? by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-27 18:40:17] If US scientists is less polite (to each other), I would expect a lots more of high profile papers being retracted.
They are too polite or they are excercising "I dont touch yours, so you dont touch mine". There was a paper on Science in 2000, and it took 07 years later for another group to say that, what they [Science paper's authors] have intepreted was wrong, and yet the Science paper was not retracted, and the finding that approved Science paper wrong is published on PLoS Biology. Sad fact is that the groups which find out this fact are from EU. My question is "does it mean that no US scientists has seen the fact over the last 07 years? or they saw it but failed to bring the paper into debate due to exercising the policy - I dont touch yours and you dont touch mine?" Those low profile wrong papers did not catch community's attention, we understand why [no one may try to replicate or follow the hypothesis], but a high profile paper didnt catch our attention we should ask why! We must adopt a system to excercise the way that "if we know someone doing wrong things or trying to mislead others and we fail to report it to the justice system [in science] we should be punished as well". Hypothesis driven research is fine, research must go that way, but too much oriented to a pre-defined hypothesis without being openned to other options that the data provided often lead to misconducts. Postdocs are pressurized cookers, believe me, sometimes they are pressured to cooked [data] the way that fit PI's hypothesis. Why it is so the misconduct cases surfaced in South Korea were due to the PIs, and almost all what we have seen here in the States are mostly blamed on "postdocs"? Again, this may be the "polite things between established scientists". Unless we find a away to keep PIs accountable, things will keep increasing. Return to Top comment: Hellinga's research: not hypothesis-driven at all by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-27 18:03:26] The writer of the post below, "hypothesis-driven research," seems to have a fuzzy understanding of the scientific method. While Hellinga's "idea" to computationally design enzymes has proven (in David Baker's hands) to be tractable, Hellinga cannot claim to have invented this concept. Moreover, he strikingly failed to implement it. Hellinga's systematic and disingenuous botching of routine experimental biochemistry has mislead his field and his colleagues. If Hellinga is indeed a visionary (which I dispute), then he is one whose ignorance of his own field has managed to obscure whatever "ideas" so inspired him. He certainly had much to gain from making his "idea" work.
Competent, honest, scientists do not re-arrange their data to fit a pet hypothesis, however valid that hypothesis might be. While not outright fabrication, such behavior is equal, if not more insidious, fraud. The more that I read of the analytical commentary regarding Hellinga's papers (especially the mutagenesis "data"), the more worried I become that such fraud is what happened here. Return to Top comment: Hellinga's research: not hypothesis-driven at all by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-27 17:59:23] The writer of the post below, "hypothesis-driven research," seems to have a fuzzy understanding of the scientific method. While Hellinga's "idea" to computationally design enzymes has proven (in David Baker's hands) to be tractable, Hellinga cannot claim to have invented this concept. Moreover, he strikingly failed to implement it. Hellinga's systematic and disingenuous botching of routine experimental biochemistry has mislead his field and his colleagues. If Hellinga is indeed a visionary (which I dispute), then he is one whose ignorance of basic scientific concepts has managed to obscure whatever "ideas" so inspired him. He certainly had much to gain from making his "idea" work.
Competent, honest, scientists do not re-arrange their students' data to fit a pet hypothesis, however valid that hypothesis might be. While not outright fabrication, such behavior is equal, if more insidious, fraud. The more that I read of the analytical commentary regarding Hellinga's papers (especially the mutagenesis "data"), the more worried I become that such fraud is what happened here. Return to Top comment: hypothesis driven research by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-27 13:45:03] when you have a good idea, you make data to fit in. simple as that. in this case, it has been proved by other people after the publication, so the idea is right, maybe some the data is wrong, but as the first one to publish in science and nature, it is worthy. People, pay attention to the groundbreaking ideas with faith, not evidence. It is ideas help people, not individual piece of data. Look at recent retractions, you will know that. Return to Top comment: Errors in Paper Honest and other wise by Gordon Couger [Comment posted 2008-03-27 12:35:10] We need better post postmortems on publisihsing errors. In the case of honest errors the ones that made them should explain how they made made them and how they would do things differently to avoid them so the community can learn from their mistakes as much as their successes. Often there is much more to learn from errors than incremental progress.
In the case of fraud some one should do the postmortem so others see the price paid for it. In the shades of gray in between we all need to learn how to avoid those areas and no comment isn't the way to do it. Gordon Couger Stillwater OK Return to Top comment: "impact factor effect" by anonymous poster [Comment posted 2008-03-27 12:10:21] The recent series of retractions in Nature, and now Science, which appear to result from likely fabrications is troubling. This trend might result from the "impact factor effect" where it is now believed so important to be published in "high impact" journals that some scientists may become willing to go to unethical lengths to generate the high-tech/already-anticipated-results articles which the high impact journals appear to favor. Fortunately, the meaningfulness of a journal's impact factor will diminish as articles from a wider list of journals becomes available through PubMed Central. Return to Top comment: expect more retractions by bjoern brembs [Comment posted 2008-03-27 11:29:47] Whatever the reason for any particular retraction, there is no doubt that we will see more and more retractions in the future.
With decreased funding and the number of PostDocs looking for positions on the rise, the pressure to publish a lot in high journals is increasing. Just as in sports, with increasing stakes, the cheating will increase. Maybe we will soon need an international agency conducting unannounced lab-visits? Comment on this blog |