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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Jul/10/2009 20:48:37
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MichaelTS863182
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MarkTS1082139 wrote:Oh gee i thought he was serious and there was a real reason why there was no money in it. Sheesh.
Sorry. Yes was being sarcastic.
Aside from an Ayn Rand 'Atlas Shrugged' scenario - any company will make a megadodecasquibbigazillion dollars from a cure for AIDS/HIV. This can be evidenced by the amount of money that people claiming to have an effective cure (but who are actually lying river scum) are able to charge for their products.
HIV is not an orphan disease. Cures for orphan diseases I'd be more worried about getting innovative treatments for.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Aug/25/2009 21:34:52
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ClaireTS1095505
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johnTS1047609 wrote:Returning to the subject:
I cannot cite a single disease that at its clinical manifestation can be cured by vaccination.
This include the many diseases that can be prevented by vaccination prior infection/initiation (e.g. all classical childhood diseases, influenza) and the diseases that can be stopped from progressing to clinical manifest disease upon contamination (e.g. rabies, tetanus).
In contrast to vaccination, other therapeutic interventions (e.g. antibiotics, radiotherapy, chemotherapy, antiviral agents) have been proven to be effective against established disease.
Thus I would state
a curative vaccine does not work
From an immunological point of view this is not all too surprising. Vaccine trigger the initiation of a specific immune response, like most - if not all - diseases do. The difference resides in the fact that the vaccine does this without clinical disease. Thereby allowing immunity to rise before the onset of mortality. Theories of B and T lymphocyte immunity, show that specific immune responses require quite some time to develop due to their clonal nature and the required cell divisions.
When people have the flue, rabies, AIDS, cancer, simply initiating an immune response against influenza virus, HIV, rabies virus, tumor related antigens will not be sufficient to cure the disease. Actually the body has already initiated an immune response, which could not prevent the onset of clinical disease.
In clinical manifest disease, scientist have to be more creative to be able to boost curative responses.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Sep/17/2009 19:28:11
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jakeTS1100753
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ALmost none!...big pharma doesnt want to fully cure disease...they want a slow remedy to "ease" the pain by taking a large amount of medication so they profit.
I know I see their earnings...I am also a daytrader in my spare time and follow their annual reports.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Oct/02/2009 14:16:55
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ElizabethTS1079048
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Vaccines aren't intended to be curative. Anyone who thinks they are doesn't understand the nature of vaccination. Vaccines are intended to induce a similar immune response to the one that exposure to the disease might induce, only without the unfortunate effects of infection. A pre-emptive strike, so to speak, so you can have immunity without having to actually get sick.
Our cure rate on diseases is limited because in most cases we try to counteract the body's natural healing mechanisms rather than work with them. Osteoporosis is a curable condition in many instances, depending on the underlying cause of the disease, but the methods currently used by most practitioners only arrest and do not cure.
But our ability to cure cancer is pretty impressive! Not as impressive as I think we'd like it to be, but we've come a long way.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Oct/31/2009 19:16:21
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GatotICN000323545
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Think about that : Blacks are more susceptible to HIV than Whites. How can one use HIV vaccine as a pre-emptive strike ?
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/02/2009 08:42:11
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ElizabethTS1079048
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I don't really get what you're driving at. I know of no genetic factors that make Africans or people of African descent more susceptible to HIV infection - all the factors I've ever heard of that account for the high rate of HIV infection in Africa are social, not biological. Well, unless you consider malnutrition to be biological, which I suppose it is, though many of the reasons for it are social. As for how an HIV vaccine would act as a pre-emptive strike, well... same way any other vaccine would. (I was referring to a strike against the DISEASE, not against the person, in case there was any question.)
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/02/2009 17:19:21
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GatotICN000323545
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For many years now, HIV experts have been trying to figure out why black people seem to be diagnosis with HIV at higher rates than white people. Are the reasons economic ? Social ? Political ? The issue is still unresolved, but a new study by U.S. and British researchers has come up with an intriguing new explanation genetics ( TheBody.Com, July 17, 2008 ).
Black U.S. AIDS Rates Rival some African Nations.
A few statistics :
1. Black Americans are eight times more likely to became HIV infected than White Americans.
2. AIDS is the leading cause of death among Black women age 25 - 34.
3. AIDS is the leading cause of death among Black men age 35 - 44.
4. In 2006, there were 7.426 deaths of AIDS among Black Americans compared to 3.860 White Americans.
" AIDS in America today is a Black Disease, " says Phyl Wilson, founder and CEO of the Black AIDS Institute, July 29, 2008.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/07/2009 11:47:43
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jamesTS1112585
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i ma not sure why they do not do this. There is definitely a cure for hiv but its not for everybody. I am not sure why this is.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/10/2009 10:39:29
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jamesTS1112585
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you make some great points. you are so right that we have no cures just vacc. I would love to see people push this more.
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/15/2009 21:14:22
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cicurugTS1114162
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The common cold is the product of a large pool of hundreds of viruses that are mutating and reassorting. (I am including influenza here, because it can give the same symptoms for many people.) The reason there is not a vaccine for all those viruses is because we have not spe
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![[Post New]](/community/templates/default/images/icon_minipost_new.gif) Nov/17/2009 23:09:08
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thimasTS1114591
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Polio and cold have not been cured yet.
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